City with Two Downtowns? (living, best, state, place)
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I’m not seeing where LA has more than one downtown within city limits and if it does Century City wouldn’t be in my top 3. It’s a place that nearly every resident or visitor drives to, has little pedestrian activity or pedestrian focused amenities, its main attraction outside of offices is a mall,…I don’t know. In some ways it’s more like a large suburban office park but then again it’s actually a lot like a smaller version of Bunker Hill in downtown LA, so…
I'd say right around here for a secondary DTLA, but then it raises questions if University areas should really be counted:
There are also tall buildings in Cumberland, Atlantic Station, West Midtown, and The Old Fourth Ward but I don't know if you can call them separate downtowns. Decatur doesn't have tall buildings but is just 7 miles east of Atlanta and it has a true downtown area.
I also think the issue is that the OP hasn't been on here in years. So, they can't explain what they meant by this, unless there is a post early on in the thread that offers an explanation.
So, this is a strict definition, but what I'm curious is if the OP was looking for what are essentially secondary districts that serve a similar purpose like Oakland in Pittsburgh, the Greater University Hill area in Syracuse, South Bethlehem PA north of Lehigh University, Collegetown in Ithaca NY, etc.
Last edited by ckhthankgod; 05-21-2024 at 10:38 AM..
The TMC "larger than major downtowns" thing is wildly misunderstood. For starters, they're only comparing with office space. Downtowns have far more than offices.
The TMC "larger than major downtowns" thing is wildly misunderstood. For starters, they're only comparing with office space. Downtowns have far more than offices.
True but the Medical Center is bordered by Rice University and Hermann Park (with many uses) / Museum District.
If cities count urban parks within their downtown, why can't Hermann Park be included as within the Medical Center's realm?
It is one of the most walk-able areas in the city...if not the state
Maybe because there’s another area called Downtown Atlanta in Atlanta? No one said Buckhead/Uptown Houston is the primary downtown of their regions but rather that they act as secondary ones. This is a pretty stupid road to go down.
Only a few other cities have “another CBD” outside of Downtown that are the scale of Uptown Houston/Buckhead (not many).
Your generalizations of these places just being “a few high rises” are just not true and it’s pretty laughable to see you doubling down on it, considering the larger role a place like Uptown Houston plays in Greater Houston.
Yeah, I know some people who visited and thought Buckhead was the main downtown of Atlanta before visiting the actual downtown/midtown.
NGL, I did enjoy looking at all the pics and videos, but I am not really sure what clearly defines as a secondary CBD. Is it defined differently depending on the city? Some cities may not have a secondary heavy office core, but they may have a mix of uses. I said this already, but Uptown Dallas or Oak Lawn maybe a 2nd downtown to some, but since they’re basically indistinguishable from each other now. It’s hard for me to say. ALL THE TIME people call Oak Lawn, Uptown, Victory Park, even Cityplace “Downtown”. Usually, it’s from transplants and younger generations who don’t remember or wasn’t around when high-rises didn't really exist north of Downtown.
The only thing that I would say that tries to come close to a secondary CBD is the Las Colinas Urban Center in Irving. It’s right on the border of the Dallas city limit. It is a part of a master-planned community and the Urban Center was planned to be the downtown. This is the best it’s going to get in the suburbs. It has a convention center with a convention center hotel, an entertainment district, light rail stations, office buildings with major employers, dense apartment blocks, and townhomes…which is typical of a CBD. It’s not fully built out yet, but it’s close. It has at least 13,000 residents and covers 1.4 sq mi.
This 11 month old video is already old with a few development projects currently underway on the empty lots remaining.
Skyline in view at 7:10 and 8:27-14:46 is the Urban Center.
The closest in Dallas proper to a concentred CBD away from Downtown is Preston Center. It’s the 2nd most popular office submarket in Dallas. It has heavy traffic with all the office space (over 3 million sq ft) and it has a significant amount of retail space too (500,000 sq ft), with Dallas’ only urban Target store. More high-rises are planned to be added over time to give it more of an urban feel (maximum height 350 ft). This is 5 years old and more development have went up since then, but this the only real video that shows an aerial view. Not very big though, about 103 acres.
They’re trying to make it more urban, but there’s a lot of hurdles to achieve that. A lot of it coming from the property owners and their dispute with removing the current parking garage in the middle of it.
Charlotte has four: Uptown, South End, South Park, and Ballantyne
Raleigh has two: Downtown and North Hills:
One of them is a rendering of many buildings?
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