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Don't know what you're talking about but Philly has 187 homicides and is way up from even last year; Chicago is a bigger mess.
What is BLM position on the cost of these black lives? Or is BLM only interested in white cop-black male deady encounters? Shouldn't it really be Some Black Lives Matter (SBLM) then?
Why haven't the white folks hijacked the black-on-black crime issue like they stole the black community-police brutality issue?
After all, ground zero for the George Floyd issue is in Seattle...lol.
Do you have a knowledge on how many white people kill white people? Latinos who kill Latinos? Asians who kill Asians?
Don't know what you're talking about but Philly has 187 homicides and is way up from even last year; Chicago is a bigger mess.
What is BLM position on the cost of these black lives? Or is BLM only interested in white cop-black male deady encounters? Shouldn't it really be Some Black Lives Matter (SBLM) then?
Why haven't the white folks hijacked the black-on-black crime issue like they stole the black community-police brutality issue?
After all, ground zero for the George Floyd issue is in Seattle...lol.
The Seattle Metro Area has 250,000 Black people and virtually all of the leaders of Black Lives Matter in the region are Black. Also, Seattle police have a history of using disproportionate force against minorities (including multiple killings of unarmed people) and were found guilty of doing so during an investigation by the US Justice Department back in 2015.
So are you saying Black people in Seattle shouldn’t be upset about this just because the majority of the metro area is White? Are only Black people in regions with very large Black populations allowed to speak out?
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Do you have a knowledge on how many white people kill white people? Latinos who kill Latinos? Asians who kill Asians?
For starters there is no White Lives Matter, Latinos Lives Matter, or Asian Lives Matter movements.
These groups homicide rates are below average to begin with while black crime, especially homicides and especially among black males (16-34) is way above average. Consider black males are about 6% of the population yet there violent crime rates are vastly out of proportion.
So while there is a Black Lives Matter for white cop-black encounters, there is nothing for the 1,000s+ blacks, especially black males, lives lost to violent homicide. Something like 10 unarmed black males were killed by police in 2019, and only 3 were not fleeing while 25 black lives were lost to gun violence the last weekend of May.
So, to be honest, only Some Black Lives Matter as no one cares, mentions, and are certainly not marching for black homicide victims.
25 killed in Chicago the weekend of May 30-31; 18 in 24 hours May 31 and no one cares, just chalked up to ''oh well, it is what it is''.
You can't say Black Lives Matter when the real lives lost issue is within the black community and can't be mentioned.
Doesn't most crime happen in Bostons' suburbs? Philadelphia suburbs are equal to Bostons regarding homicides, there was only 1 in my city, and it was from a Philadelphian who chased another Philadelphian across the border.
The entire Boston metro area (City of Boston plus rest of metro area) produces significantly less homicides than just the suburbs of Philadelphia. Atlanta's suburbs also produce more homicides than the entire Boston metro area by a lot.
The entire Boston metro area (City of Boston plus rest of metro area) produces significantly less homicides than just the suburbs of Philadelphia. Atlanta's suburbs also produce more homicides than the entire Boston metro area by a lot.
If we are counting Camden (which has lowered dramatically), Wilmington and Chester, then yes.
But by traditional suburb standards, using the word "significantly" is dramatic.
The suburbs of Boston, Philadelphia and Atlanta are overwhelming safe, not sure why this had become a debate in this thread.
Seattle's murder rate is pretty low, but not among the lowest of American major cities. According to City Data, in 2018 Seattle had a murder rate of 4.3 (32 total murders).
San Jose and San Diego - the two cities I originally pointed out - were the lowest. San Diego had a murder rate of 2.4 (35 total murders, only 3 more than Seattle, but with twice the population and 4 times the land area of Seattle). San Jose was at 2.7 with 28 total murders.
In this case, it doesn't matter that San Jose has over twice the land area of Seattle. Even if you shrunk San Jose down to Seattle's size in terms of area and population, but kept the same number of murders, it would still have a lower rate!
Yes, size matters both in terms of area and population, but if most of the area is relatively unpopulated you're inflating your safety stats. San Jose and San Diego have fairly uniform metro areas in terms of population density and both make up a good share of the their full metro areas. Meanwhile, Seattle is the densest city in its metro by a good amount, but the second biggest city in the region, Tacoma, had twice the murder rate in 2018.
In other words, using Metro area completely dilutes the picture and you don't get a good sense of what is actually happening. But by any metric, San Diego, San Jose and several other California cities are the upper echelon when it comes to safety. And yes, so is New England.
You can't compare cities because it's going to be apples to oranges due to city to metro population ratio differences. If you're going to compare cities, you can't compare 17 square mile Hartford to 323 square mile Memphis. It just doesn't work.
San Diego is 325 square miles and Boston is 48 square miles. You can't compare the two. San Diego city makes up nearly half its metro area. The City of Boston makes up only 13% of its metro area. It messes with the stats, which is why comparing metro to metro gives you an even apples to apples comparison.
City boundaries are completely arbitrary, metro areas aren't.
You can't compare cities because it's going to be apples to oranges due to city to metro population ratio differences. If you're going to compare cities, you can't compare 17 square mile Hartford to 323 square mile Memphis. It just doesn't work.
San Diego is 325 square miles and Boston is 48 square miles. You can't compare the two. San Diego city makes up nearly half its metro area. The City of Boston makes up only 13% of its metro area. It messes with the stats, which is why comparing metro to metro gives you an even apples to apples comparison.
City boundaries are completely arbitrary, metro areas aren't.
Where do you get the metro numbers? Can you show me a link?
Also I agree with you about New England being safe but I think you are overhyping Boston here a little, and this is from someone who loves the city and thinks it is very safe.
Boston had 56 murders in 2018, San Diego had 35. So even if you shrunk San Diego down to its most "dangerous" 48 square miles for the apples to apples comparisons, you'd still hypothetically have 35 murders at the most, which is still way less than 56. And obviously we know the number would be much, much lower than 35 in real life. San Diego is way safer.
If we are counting Camden (which has lowered dramatically), Wilmington and Chester, then yes.
But by traditional suburb standards, using the word "significantly" is dramatic.
The suburbs of Boston, Philadelphia and Atlanta are overwhelming safe, not sure why this had become a debate in this thread.
Camden's murder rate has always fluctuated. Its homicide rate in 2006 was similar to today and it peaked in the 2000s in 2012.
Outside Philadelphia city limits, there are four times as many homicides as the City of Boston. I think that's significant.
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Where do you get the metro numbers? Can you show me a link?
Also I agree with you about New England being safe but I think you are overhyping Boston here a little, and this is from someone who loves the city and thinks it is very safe.
Boston had 56 murders in 2018, San Diego had 35. So even if you shrunk San Diego down to its most "dangerous" 48 square miles for the apples to apples comparisons, you'd still hypothetically have 35 murders at the most, which is still way less than 56. And obviously we know the number would be much, much lower than 35 in real life. San Diego is way safer.
The latest stats I can get with most cities listed is 2017. I believe this is a year San Diego's rate actually is a touch lower than Boston's although I don't know if that's continued. However, typically, the San Diego metro sees as many homicides as the Boston metro area, despite having 1.3 million less people.
The Seattle Metro Area has 250,000 Black people and virtually all of the leaders of Black Lives Matter in the region are Black. Also, Seattle police have a history of using disproportionate force against minorities (including multiple killings of unarmed people) and were found guilty of doing so during an investigation by the US Justice Department back in 2015.
So are you saying Black people in Seattle shouldn’t be upset about this just because the majority of the metro area is White? Are only Black people in regions with very large Black populations allowed to speak out?
So first you went from the paltry black population in metro seattle (4,000,000 people; 250,000 are black) to seattle police dealing with ''minorities''. A black population being watered down even further by high gentrification rates.
How many unarmed ''minorities'' died at Seattle PD hand? Not many. In fact there were years when any and all of those killed were white...c;mon it's Seattle.
As for the 2015 DOJ report, there was a finding of no discriminatory policing and that of the cases where excessive force was used (non-deadly) only 20% were held to be excessive force (using hand, baton, flashlight etc). This 20% of excessive force use was limited to a few cops.
It's funny that Seattle is the epicenter of the national crusade against black police brutality when there isn't even a ghetto in Seattle.
Don't tell me CHAZ or BONO or whatever this ridiculous attempt to be Seattle revolutionaires is black dominated.
Even in cities with actual black populations, this is a white hijacked cause. Lots more whites out than blacks.
So, given the don't care attitude about black-black homicides, it's still Some Black Lives Matter.
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