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That's not a California thing. There are places 60 miles away from Boston like Rockingham County, NH that are within Boston's MSA while there are towns much closer that are not such as Southborough which is in the Worcester MSA rather than Boston. With that said, metropolitan areas are still a much fairer comparison between urban areas than city to city is.
You can't compare 17 square mile Hartford to 323 square mile Memphis. The only way we have to fairly compare the two and get a true picture of the situation in these places is to compare their metros.
So it's not just as arbitrary to compare Boston MSA at 3487 sq miles to Riverside MSA at 27,298 square miles?
Sure, generally MSA's work better than just cities if you want to get an idea about a metro's crime rate, but since the Census defines MSA's on county boundaries, the boudaries are just as non-sensical as city boundaries. They are especially dumb for California metros, where in SoCal there are large counties, and a third of the LA metro population is considered to be a separate MSA. The Bay Area metro is split just as arbitrarily into 2 MSA's. You have to look at CSA to compare the murder rate in California metros to MSA's in the rest of the country.
What were the NY LA Chi Philly and Houston totals last year at this time?
For LA, as of 6/13 (most recent official stats release from LAPD), there were 119 homicides in 2020, compared to 113 in 2019 and 121 in 3018 at that time.
LAPD releases numbers of homicides, which is a coroner assigned cause of death, and does not indicate whether the homicide was justifiable or should lead to murder/manslaughter charges. I'm would imagine other PD's are releasing total homicide numbers and not chargeable homicides as well, because some cases make take time to determine whether charges can be filed.
I believe all the officer invovled shootings in the last 3 years were ruled to be justifiable. I'm sure some of the non-officer involved homicides are also determined to be justifiable, but I don't have anyway to track those or to see how it varies from year to year.
4 of the 2020 homicides so far were officers shooting suspects.
At this time in 2019, there had also been 4 officer involved homicides.
At this time in 2018, there had been 8 officer involved homicides.
So it's not just as arbitrary to compare Boston MSA at 3487 sq miles to Riverside MSA at 27,298 square miles?
Sure, generally MSA's work better than just cities if you want to get an idea about a metro's crime rate, but since the Census defines MSA's on county boundaries, the boudaries are just as non-sensical as city boundaries. They are especially dumb for California metros, where in SoCal there are large counties, and a third of the LA metro population is considered to be a separate MSA. The Bay Area metro is split just as arbitrarily into 2 MSA's. You have to look at CSA to compare the murder rate in California metros to MSA's in the rest of the country.
Inland Empire/Riverside is a weird one. The vast majority of all that land in that MSA is desert nothingness anyway. Ideally, we would compare urban areas. But the FBI doesn't compile stats based on urban areas. Only metro areas. So we're going to have to deal with a few outlier towns in the middle of nowhere here and there. Metro area stats paint a far better picture of the overall vibe of an area than city stats is all I'm saying.
The City of Memphis alone had 181 homicides and the entire Hartford MSA of over 1 million had just 40 homicides. Yet if you compared only the two cities to each other, Hartford's murder rate would be close to Memphis's. These two are not in the same league and metro stats verify that, while city to city stats suggest they are nearly identical.
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Something is going on, as there was a very similar incident that occurred in my area the previous night and Minneapolis had a very similar incident as well. I think others have occurred as well in other cities.
Also, are other cities having issues with fireworks going off at all times of the night? This is a thing in many cities in NY State recently and it is confusing people in regards to actually being fireworks or shots fired.
Inland Empire/Riverside is a weird one. The vast majority of all that land in that MSA is desert nothingness anyway. Ideally, we would compare urban areas. But the FBI doesn't compile stats based on urban areas. Only metro areas. So we're going to have to deal with a few outlier towns in the middle of nowhere here and there. Metro area stats paint a far better picture of the overall vibe of an area than city stats is all I'm saying.
The City of Memphis alone had 181 homicides and the entire Hartford MSA of over 1 million had just 40 homicides. Yet if you compared only the two cities to each other, Hartford's murder rate would be close to Memphis's. These two are not in the same league and metro stats verify that, while city to city stats suggest they are nearly identical.
The only reason San B's Metro is so big (possibly the biggest in the country) is because you can't split up counties in a metro. The whole idea of metro areas is based around counties, and San B happens to be on the edge of the biggest county by area in the United States.
A woman died after a shooting during an argument on Almond Avenue Saturday morning.
Destiny Bellfo, 28, died at Miami Valley Hospital from her injuries and an autopsy is planned to determine the cause and manner of her death, according to the coroner’s office.
More cities seeing increase in violent crime some of highest numbers in years.
104 shot, 14 fatally, over Father’s Day weekend in Chicago sadly five children has been victims of outbreak of violence
Chicago saw its highest number of gun violence victims in a single weekend this year with 104 people shot across the city from Friday evening to Monday morning, 14 of them fatally. Five of those killed were minors.
The weekend saw more shooting victims but less fatalities than the last weekend of May, when 85 people were shot, 24 of them fatally — Chicago’s most deadly weekend in years.
I support police reform and strongly oppose the racist police actions I've seen on the web. But I'm also concerned about many cities copying Baltimore's example post-Freddy Gray, where the homicide rate took a 50% jump, and has stayed up ever since. It seems the either/or approach to policing doesn't work, and is going to push the "return to cities" movement even further into reverse.
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