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I'll second Pcamps. It does not teach that at all. It says that all will turn to the LORD for savalation.
All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and All the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: All they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and None can keep alive his own soul.
Psalm 22:27-20
"All they that go down to the dust shall bow before him"
Yes, at the judgement every head will bow and evey knee will bend. It will be a crude wake up for those who rejected Christ.
Not only crude, but after being judged the unbelievers will not go willingly.
Jesus said they will be "thrown into"...which implies a reluctance of the damned. Nobody goes to heaven or hell without being commanded to do so.
Jesus says to the righteous " 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father...' " Matthew 25:34
Jesus say to the wicked " 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' " Matthew 25:41
" 'And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur...They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.' " Revelation 20:10
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And who are the "them" that is being spoken about in "who deceived them" in Revelation 20:10
Not only crude, but after being judged the unbelievers will not go willingly.
Jesus said they will be "thrown into"...which implies a reluctance of the damned. Nobody goes to heaven or hell without being commanded to do so.
Jesus says to the righteous " 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father...' " Matthew 25:34
Jesus say to the wicked " 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' " Matthew 25:41
" 'And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur...They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.' " Revelation 20:10
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And who are the "them" that is being spoken about in "who deceived them" in Revelation 20:10
Answer: Matthew 25:41
Yes, twinspin. They are being thrown. And what kind of "fire" are these
SPIRITS in?
Yes, at the judgement every head will bow and evey knee will bend. It will be a crude wake up for those who rejected Christ.
Unfortunately upon seeing him they are made whole just like the woman who grabbed his robe and was healed. Kinda silly to deny someone right in front of you... I would laugh... But the Good News is that they will pledge allegiance to God. Whether you see it or not...and I hate this word- eventually all will be healed and made new.
Yeah, same one. I still fight for my beliefs tooth and nail, just not as a stubborn, ignorant, arrogant ETer. I never believed in my heart that hell was eternal and it turns it's not!! Jesus DOES have the truth, and the truth is He died for ALL, not some. The Bible says this about Jesus:
1 John 2:2
2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also forthe sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14
14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
The last days are here, and it has nothing to do with me learning the truth of UR. The deceit is in the belief of ET. My, how widespread it is. It's like a cancer....if you want to gauge the last days by the elect being deceived then they are here and have been here a while according to the amount of deceived ETers.
You still fight for your beliefs, yet wavered in them, to the point of changing them. You say you never believed in ET, yet went the way of Universalism? Hopefully, you are not done searching yet.
Cherry picking verses to make a doctrine is all Universalism is. Mankind has been doing this for centuries. Put it all together, from Genesis to Revelation.
Yes, the wicked shall be destroyed. The Word testifies of this. Over and over, and over. They are not somehow made new through the Fire of God. The Fire consumes, period.
I agree the deceit is in the doctrines. Of both ET and Universalism. Both are the extremes of what man wants. Et is the doctrine of control. Men have been using this control over the flocks for thousands of years. Universalism is the opposite. It is the doctrine of ANARCHY. Without control, Laws, or constraints. It tells the evil and wicked unrepentant that they shall be saved, eventually. So, wicked is, as wicked does.
Both are pleasing to the flesh, whichever side you sit on. One gives power, the other takes it. Neither are right. God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ have ALL the Power. Honoring the Father, while submission to the Son through a repentant heart gives the power of us TO them. Not that they didn't already have this power, but we submit willingly out of our Love FOR them, thereby giving ourselves TO them.
Universalism TAKES the power from us, and gives it to God, forcefully.
ET TAKES the power from us, and gives it to other men for dominance.
But, hey, just my take on my personal understanding of the Word.
Yes, at the judgement every head will bow and evey knee will bend. It will be a crude wake up for those who rejected Christ.
If the people are going to be thrown into an everlasting torture pit(i.e the lake of fire for ever), why would they bow before him and confess Christ lord?
Seems to me like they would be raging and cursing his name even after they were thrown in the fire ...?
You still fight for your beliefs, yet wavered in them, to the point of changing them. You say you never believed in ET, yet went the way of Universalism? Hopefully, you are not done searching yet.
Cherry picking verses to make a doctrine is all Universalism is. Mankind has been doing this for centuries. Put it all together, from Genesis to Revelation.
Yes, the wicked shall be destroyed. The Word testifies of this. Over and over, and over. They are not somehow made new through the Fire of God. The Fire consumes, period.
I agree the deceit is in the doctrines. Of both ET and Universalism. Both are the extremes of what man wants. Et is the doctrine of control. Men have been using this control over the flocks for thousands of years. Universalism is the opposite. It is the doctrine of ANARCHY. Without control, Laws, or constraints. It tells the evil and wicked unrepentant that they shall be saved, eventually. So, wicked is, as wicked does.
Both are pleasing to the flesh, whichever side you sit on. One gives power, the other takes it. Neither are right. God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ have ALL the Power. Honoring the Father, while submission to the Son through a repentant heart gives the power of us TO them. Not that they didn't already have this power, but we submit willingly out of our Love FOR them, thereby giving ourselves TO them.
Universalism TAKES the power from us, and gives it to God, forcefully.
ET TAKES the power from us, and gives it to other men for dominance.
But, hey, just my take on my personal understanding of the Word.
Hot, as long as I've been on this board you have been the most wishy-washy person I've ever seen in changing your belief system. I don't EVEN want to hear it. That's definitely the pot calling the kettle black and you yourself we're leaning towards UR at one point. Now you've decided to believe in annihilation......at least UR has scriptural support whereas annihilation has zero!!
You were headed in the right direction when you were investigating UR....I think you might need to go back and start all over again.
If the people are going to be thrown into an everlasting torture pit(i.e the lake of fire for ever), why would they bow before him and confess Christ lord?
Why do murdereds do as they are told in a courtroom? Why do they sit when they are told to sit and stand when they are told to stand? Take that respect for authority and multiply it by a million, and you will undertstand why every knee will bend at the judgement.
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Seemingly after death too!
upon seeing him they are made whole just like the woman who grabbed his robe and was healed. Kinda silly to deny someone right in front of you... I would laugh... But the Good News is that they will pledge allegiance to God. Whether you see it or not...and I hate this word- eventually all will be healed and made new.
