Co-savior theology (Greek, reasons, born, temple)

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by trettep

Interesting response. Never heard that before.

Paul

I try to be interesting to read....LOL

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

Tossing a man into the sea is not really helping the thirsty in their need for a sip...

good one, I'll make my post smaller, but there will just be more of them, oh how will some be able to stand it

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by pneuma

oh how will some be able to stand it

Im sure with the good humor that always attends mine.

[Thy Kingdom Come]

Originally Posted by pneuma

I don’t believe God can do anything contrary to His nature and Evil is not in His nature.

I don't believe God can do anything contrary to his nature either. But that's not what I asked. I asked if you believe that God can make a choice between good and evil.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by Thy Kingdom Come

I don't believe God can do anything contrary to his nature either. But that's not what I asked. I asked if you believe that God can make a choice between good and evil.

depends on the way you mean it?

Can God make a choice to do evil if He wanted to

or

Can God make a choice between good and evil as in seperating the tares from the wheat.

[Thy Kingdom Come]

Originally Posted by pneuma

depends on the way you mean it?

Can God make a choice to do evil if He wanted to

or

Can God make a choice between good and evil as in seperating the tares from the wheat.

Neither. We know God will never want to do evil and I'm not talking about distinguishing between good and evil.

I'm asking about your definition of choosing. If someone offered God two options.
Option (a) is some evil act (like bowing to the devil)
Option (b) is some righteous act

So God agrees with and does (b).

My question is did God make a choice.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by Thy Kingdom Come

Neither. We know God will never want to do evil and I'm not talking about distinguishing between good and evil.

I'm asking about your definition of choosing. If someone offered God two options.
Option (a) is some evil act (like bowing to the devil)
Option (b) is some righteous act

So God agrees with and does (b).

My question is did God make a choice.

The question is faulty because God is not given such a choice, He can only do what is in His nature to do, thus He does rightiouness.

It is not a choice it is His nature.

God never said I put before me life and death He said he put it before us the choice of life and death.

And it is a real choice brother, the same choice Adam had.

God did not just put before Adam death and tell Adam to choose death or not choose death, God also put before Adam life.

And that is the choice everyone of us has.

[Thy Kingdom Come]

Originally Posted by pneuma

The question is faulty because God is not given such a choice, He can only do what is in His nature to do, thus He does rightiouness.

People have made requests of God. Does God make a choice to grant or deny those requests? Or does God not have the ability to make choices?

[sciotamicks]

Folks,

Read the Book of Job. Trying to decipher whether God makes choices or not is not our calling as Priests and Kings, for we are those only for His kingdom, and He is Lord and God, and it is His message that we must proclaim.

[Thy Kingdom Come]

Originally Posted by pneuma

As I have tried to explain before, that scripture does not say what you think it says, the predestination is not talking about what those men did, but talking about Christ.

I don't think the verb conjugation supports that theory.

If the "for to do" referred to
- God, the verb would be 2nd person singular (since the passage is addressing God)
- Christ, the verb would be 3rd person singular
- God and Christ, the verb would be 2nd person plural
- Herod, etc. if would be 3rd person plural.


I don't have e-sword and don't know if it even has that info. But it appears to be 3rd person plural (i.e. they) based on the fact that the verb spelling matches the verse below from Luke which is clearly 3rd person plural (parents) and the verb spelling would be different were it singlular or 2nd person.

• Luke 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

• Acts 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

• Luke 2:27 καὶ ἦλθεν ἐν τῷ πνεύματι εἰς τὸ ἱερόν καὶ ἐν τῷ εἰσαγαγεῖν τοὺς γονεῖς τὸ παιδίον Ἰησοῦν τοῦ ποιῆσαι αὐτοὺς κατὰ τὸ εἰθισμένον τοῦ νόμου περὶ αὐτοῦ

• Acts 4:28 ποιῆσαι ὅσα ἡ χείρ σου καὶ ἡ βουλή σου προώρισεν γενέσθαι

I suspect that's why every translation says what they say. But if it turns out the verb is anything but 3rd person plural, I think I'd agree with you on that verse Scott.