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John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
This and other passages like this say that Christ is the key to eternal life, not a church. Those who preach otherwise are incorrect and\or misinformed or mislead.
A sacrament by definition is were forgiveness of sins are administered along with the word that was instituted by Christ.
They are Communion and Baptism.
Holy Communion - Matthew 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:15-20, 1 Corinthians 23-26
Baptism - Baptism isn't symbolic, but forgives sins. It saves by the resurrection of our Lord 1 Peter 3:20-22. To deny the saving power is to deny the bodily resurrection of Christ. Noah was saved through water and so are those baptised connected with God's word.
Christ commanded to make disciples of all nations by baptizing and teaching Matthew 28:19.
As Paul writes in Titus, chapter 3, "God saved us through the washing of rebirth [baptised] and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified [to be declared holy] by his grace, we might become heirs have the hope of eternal life. This is a trustworthy saying"
It is by faith you are saved and not by works.
John 6:29
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
Sorry to say, your list includes non Christian faiths JW's, includes work righteous faiths RC's...(and yes there will be RC's in heaven)
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3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[a]"
4"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
I think, and I think I am Right, that only the churches of Group 4 (Catholicism), Group 5 (Eastern Orthodox) and Group 6 (Oriental Orthodox) do have a proper use of the Seven Sacraments in their Church, with other sayings, I Mean, If a Church doesn´t have 7 sacraments, then with that church you cannot enter heaven, and I do belief so that only Catholic and Orthodox People (Group 4, 5, 6) can enter Heaven, based on the Seven Sacraments.
The One, who is in Group 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, are in great danger, I suppose, there are five points, which I think you can make it to heaven
1. First of all, You must be attached to a Church, who is belonging to the Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox, simply: you must be Catholic or Orthodox
2. Second you must have had the Sacrament of Baptism
3. Third of All you must have had the Sacrament of Confirmation
4. Fourd of All you must have had the Sacrament of Penance
5. Fifth of All you must have had the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
I want to explain to you, with Bible citations, why the Church, has got 7 sacraments, because Jesus Himself is the Establisher of the Sacraments of the Church, I belief.
I am a member of the Roman Catholic Church and I think this comment is a load of horse s***. Give me a break... so you are saying everyone else should be banned from passing through those PEARLY GATES because they don't have seven sacraments in their resume of Christianity? Alright, so let's think about this then... let's say a child dies and doesn't go through the seven sacraments... how do they get through to heaven? Let's say someone just began the RCIA Process and is converting... THEY die...haven't had all the sacraments... do THEY get to go to heaven? This theory is not only obnoxious, but flawed...
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3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[a]"
4"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
John 3
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So, apparently, your interpretation of this passage is that the water is baptism. However, there is another way to look at it, (and many people do), that the water is speaking of our physical birth. First, the physical birth, (with the amniotic fluid, i.e. "water"), and then the spiritual birth. To say that God will not allow anyone into heaven if they have not had an actual water baptism, is faulty. This is a human trait, that one must jump through certain hoops, and follow certain rules, before God will accept them.
Skbs brought up a couple of good examples, and there are many more, of people who don't get a chance to get baptized before they die, and I would find it nonsensical if God was that close-minded, and narrow, that he couldn't deal with these situations. God is not interested in water and rules. He's interested in us. If God were that petty to be worried about someone being "dunked", or "sprinkled", (take your pick), before letting them through those pearly gates, I think I'd be looking for another God to transfer my affections, awe, respect, and worship to. But, that's just me.
This is a human trait, that one must jump through certain hoops, and follow certain rules, before God will accept them.
Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Hbr 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So, apparently, your interpretation of this passage is that the water is baptism. However, there is another way to look at it, (and many people do), that the water is speaking of our physical birth. First, the physical birth, (with the amniotic fluid, i.e. "water"), and then the spiritual birth. To say that God will not allow anyone into heaven if they have not had an actual water baptism, is faulty. This is a human trait, that one must jump through certain hoops, and follow certain rules, before God will accept them.
Skbs brought up a couple of good examples, and there are many more, of people who don't get a chance to get baptized before they die, and I would find it nonsensical if God was that close-minded, and narrow, that he couldn't deal with these situations. God is not interested in water and rules. He's interested in us. If God were that petty to be worried about someone being "dunked", or "sprinkled", (take your pick), before letting them through those pearly gates, I think I'd be looking for another God to transfer my affections, awe, respect, and worship to. But, that's just me.
You'd be willing to "look for another god" simply because you couldn't grasp, or accept, a teaching of the true (and ONLY) God...? I'm sorry, but statements like that intrigue me. It's kinda like you're making God out to be who/what YOU think He should be according to YOUR ideas and image - not accepting what He has revealed to us as truth.
Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Hbr 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
godspeed,
freedom
And, this has what to do with baptism? Are we to believe that God requires us to get wet before we can enter heaven? I will not place such limitations on him, nor do I expect him to act in a petty manner. God is not a child that he will throw down his toys, stamp his feet, and push someone out of the sandbox because they didn't play the game in a precisely laid-out order. The idea that baptism is part of a "formula" that we must use in order to get to heaven is, in my opinion, (to which I am just as entitled as anyone else), bad interpretation, coupled with man made rules. I believe it to be nonsense that the Creator of the universe is so concerned about something like baptism, that he must demand it, in order for someone to enter heaven. If some folks want to believe such a thing, they are certainly entitled to do so, but personally, I'd be steering clear of a God who acted in a manner more reminiscent of a school-yard bully.
You'd be willing to "look for another god" simply because you couldn't grasp, or accept, a teaching of the true (and ONLY) God...? I'm sorry, but statements like that intrigue me. It's kinda like you're making God out to be who/what YOU think He should be according to YOUR ideas and image - not accepting what He has revealed to us as truth.
Ok... this is how these threads start to get grouchy... Ok... there is interpretation in everything... what we read, what we hear, what we see, what we dream... One's interpretation of the bible my not be exactly the same as yours... hence the variety of Christain Faiths among this group of posters... you too are saying God is who you believe he is based on YOUR ideas and images... and what he has revealed to YOU as truth... it is all about interpretation... and I don't think she was saying she wanted to search out another GOD... you might be making it into a more harsh statement than it was meant to be... taking it out of context like that.
You'd be willing to "look for another god" simply because you couldn't grasp, or accept, a teaching of the true (and ONLY) God...? I'm sorry, but statements like that intrigue me. It's kinda like you're making God out to be who/what YOU think He should be according to YOUR ideas and image - not accepting what He has revealed to us as truth.
Did I say that God was not true? I was making a point that I believe that he does not demand baptism as a requirement to get into heaven. If one chooses to believe that he does, that's up to them, but I choose to believe that God is not a school yard bully, as though he were demanding lunch money in order for one not to be beat up. Seems to me that there are plenty of folks out there who also make God out to be who/what they think he should be, according to their ideas and image. So, it would seem I am in good company, though on the opposite side of the fence.
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