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Old 12-14-2020, 12:00 PM
 
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Everything begins in God: Everything ends in God.

The Church is currently proclaiming and teaching

That God is all-loving and that Christ’s blood was shed for every person who ever lived. That God’s heart is a heart of love and that He desires all men to be saved. (Arminianism)

That God is all-powerful and sovereign over His creation and no desire of His can be thwarted. That Christ’s atonement was effectual for everyone for whom He died. (Calvinism/Reformed faith)

That the purpose of being chosen, or elected by God, is not for ourselves but to be a blessing to the world as taught in Gen 12:3. (The missional movement)

The belief that every person is made in the image of God which leads us to see that, “we do justice when we give all human beings their due as creations of God” (Tim Keller). He continues, “The Biblical gospel of Jesus necessarily and powerfully leads to a passion for justice in the world…If God’s character includes a zeal for justice that leads Him to have the tenderest love and closest involvement with the socially weak, then what should God’s people be like?” From Generous Justice: How God’s Grace Makes Us Just (the social justice movement)

That “restorative justice” ought to replace punitive justice in our prisons leading us to see the nature and goal of true Biblical justice as returning what is wrong to its “right-useness.” While punitive justice (called secondary or rectifying justice) may need to be applied the ultimate end we are told is for repentance, restoration and reconciliation which is God’s primary justice. (the restorative justice movement)

The return to the Resurrection as the “lynchpin” of our faith focusing on its centrality and implications for personal holiness, community, evangelism and cultural change. We are being shown how the Resurrection was the preeminent theme of the Early Church and means of power for personal and cultural transformation.

The Church is being more honest than ever about their desire for Christian Universalism to be true. While they affirm what they believe Scripture to say about an eternal hell they are not holding back from saying that it troubles them greatly and that they “wish it were not true.” God says “Delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart.” Our collective desire is a huge indicator that God has indeed written it on our hearts!

The theme of total restoration is found in more and more worship songs. We are regularly singing about “all things new” and “You make beautiful things out of dust” (Gungor). Mercy Me sings, “All of creation sing with me now…every knee will bow, every tongue will praise the Father, praise the Son and the Spirit in One.” Hillsong’s last album is just brimming with songs of ultimate restoration and, “all of the universe at Your feet.”

The balance of a Systematic Theology approach with the Story of God as a method for looking at the Bible as a whole. We are being led to see that the Bible is not a bunch of rules with stories throughout but rather One Grand Story with principles sprinkled throughout. This approach reveals more clearly the history and path of God as a missionary God continually pursuing His creation. (Biblical Storying method, see echothestory.com)

The Church’s emphasis on a more cosmic redemption involving the entire created order and the belief that Christ’s death was to restore the universe eradicating all evil, sin and decay. This naturally begs the question of where do you place “a world of damned people” (billions) who traditionally we have been taught will be consigned to eternal death in a location in God’s universe called hell? Well, we just don’t talk about it. God wants nothing less than all creation, which is now subject to decay, futility, and corruption, to become sanctified, alive, and completely dedicated to His purposes.

How then, will the story of human history end?

We see heaven descending into our world to unite with it and purify it of all its brokenness and imperfection....a new heavens and a new earth centered in righteousness.

https://www.christianuniversalism.com/about-us/

 
Old 12-14-2020, 12:07 PM
 
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Our Fathers replacement options =

Abba Plan A =

"The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases.. great is Your faithfulness. (period)"

Alternate replacement plan b=

When in doubt consult Plan A !
 
Old 12-14-2020, 01:27 PM
 
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Cascading Love

The Long Range Plan Of Father's Desire Of At-one-ment


"He chose us to be his very own, joining us to himself even before he laid the foundation of the universe!

Because of his great love, he ordained us, so that we would be seen as holy in his eyes with an unstained innocence. For it was always in his perfect plan to adopt us as his delightful children, through our union with Jesus, the Anointed One, so that his tremendous love that cascades over us would glorify his grace—for the same love he has for his Beloved One, Jesus, he has for us.

And this unfolding plan brings him great pleasure! Since we are now joined to Christ, we have been given the treasures of redemption by his blood—the total cancellation of our sins—all because of the cascading riches of his grace.

Super abundant grace: cascading love: Abba's perfect plan

This superabundant grace is already powerfully working in us, releasing within us all forms of wisdom and practical understanding. And through the revelation of the Anointed One, he unveiled his secret desires to us—the hidden mystery of his long-range plan, which he was delighted to implement from the very beginning of time. And because of God’s unfailing purpose, this detailed plan will reign supreme through every period of time until the fulfillment of all the ages finally reaches its climax—when God makes all things new in all of heaven and earth through Jesus Christ." -TPT-
 
Old 12-14-2020, 07:01 PM
 
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Which of the following is a synecdoche or a metonymy?

Perhaps the radical all of pas should be tis (some) in scope on some occasions.

1 Cor. 15:22

“For as in Adam [some] die, so also in Christ [some] shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished [some] rule and [some] authority and power.”

Rev. 5:13

“And [some] created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and [some] things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power forever.” -Col. 1:18-20

“He too is that head whose body is the Church, the Firstborn from the dead, he is to the Church the Source of its life, that in [some] things He might occupy the foremost place/ to be in [some] things alone supreme. For it pleased the Father that in him the divine nature in [some] of its fullness should dwell. And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by him to reconcile [some] things unto Himself; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven. And you that were sometimes alienated…” -Acts 3:20,21

“And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of [some]things. (when [some] things are put right)” -1 Cor. 15:28

“And when [some] things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put [some] things under Him, that God may be [some in some.]” -1 Cor. 15:25,27

“For He must reign until He hath put [some] enemies under His feet…For He hath put [some] things under His feet. But when He saith [some] things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put [some] things under Him.” -Romans 11:32

“For God has consigned [some] men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon [some].” -Eph. 4:10

“Yes, He who came down is the same who is gone up, far above [some] heavens, that He might fill [some] things with His Presence.” -John 5:28

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which [some] that are in the graves shall hear His voice. Those who have done good will to live and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” -1 Timothy 2:4

“For this is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; who will have [some] men to be saved and come to an increasing knowledge of the truth.” -1 Timothy 2:6

“For there is one intermediary (One who brings God and men together) who gave Himself a ransom in behalf of [some] to be testified in due time.” -Cor. 5:15

“For the love of God overmasters us because we judge that if one died for [some], then were [some] dead; And that His purpose in dying for [some] was that men, while still in life, should cease to live for themselves, and should live for Him who for their sake died and was raised to life.” -Col. 1:16

"For by Him were [some] things created, of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen (angels or archangels and [some] of the powers of Heaven)…[some] things were created by Him, and for Him ([some] were made by Christ for His own use and glory.) -John 3:35

“The Father loves the Son, and has given [some] things into His hand ([has given Him control over less than everything]). Whoever trusts on the Son possesses eternal life and he who does not obey the Son, God’s displeasure hangs over him continually.” -Gal. 3:20

“The Scripture has concluded/consigned [some] without exception to the custody of sin, in order that the promise by faith in Christ Jesus might be given to [some] who believe in Him.” -Heb. 1:2

“God…has in these days spoken unto us in His Son who is the predestined Lord of the universe. (whom he has appointed heir of [some] things)” -2 Cor. 5:14

“For the love of Christ constrains/overmasters/compels/controls us, and this is the conviction we have reached; if one man died on behalf of [some], then [some] thereby became dead men. Christ died for [some], so that being alive should no longer mean living with our own life, but with his life who died for [some] of us and has risen again.” -Heb.8:11

“And they shall not teach [some] men his neighbor, and [some] his brother, saying get to know the Lord, for [some] of them shall know me from small to great. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness…” -Acts 10:36

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: He is Lord of [some]. -Rom. 11:36

“For from him [some] things come; through Him [some] things exist; and in him [some] things end.” (For of him and through him, and to him are [some] things.) -Eph. 4:6

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of [some], who is over [some], and works through [some, and dwells in some.]” -Heb. 12:23

“To the festal gathering and Church of the first-born, enrolled as citizens in heaven, and to God the Judge of [some] men and unto the spirits of righteous ones made perfect.” -James 2:10

“For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating [some].” -Romans 3:22,23

“…the righteous of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. …For [some] have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour.” -John 17:2

"You have made him sovereign over [some] of mankind that he should give aionios life to as many as You have given him.” -Romans 9:5

“The patriarchs are theirs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. May God who is supreme above [some], be blessed throughout the ages.” -2 Peter 3:9

“The Lord is not slack/does not loiter/ is not dilatory concerning his promise, according to some people’s conception of slowness; but He bears patiently with you, because it is not His will for any to be lost, but for [some] to come/reach repentance.” -Phil. 2:10,11

"In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus [some] knees will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be open and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by [some] beings in the heavens, by [some] beings on the earth and by [some] beings in the underworld."
 
Old 12-15-2020, 01:08 AM
 
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Welcome to therapeuo

"The angel showed me the river of the water of life, flowing with water clear as crystal, continuously pouring out from the throne of God and of the Lamb. The river was flowing in the middle of the street of the city, and on either side of the river was the Tree of Life, with its twelve kinds of ripe fruit according to each month of the year. The leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations. And every curse will be broken and no longer exist." -TPT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpga...ature=emb_logo
 
Old 12-15-2020, 03:36 PM
 
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Questions Requiring Answers

1. As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)

2. If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?

3. Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?

4. As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?

5. If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)

6. As "love thinketh no evil," can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)

7. As "love worketh no ill," can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)

8. As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)

9. Would not the infliction of endless punishment prove that God HAD been overcome by evil?

10. If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?

11. Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?

12. As we are commanded "to overcome evil with good," may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)

13. Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?
 
Old 12-15-2020, 03:45 PM
 
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Temuriak =

“The times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all is holy prophets…And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto You: Whom the heavens must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21).

Peter’s statement speaks clearly of the times of the restitution of all things.

Restitution, according to the best English usage, means the act of restoring something that has been taken away or lost; the act of making good or rendering an equivalent as for loss or injury.

This is in exact harmony with the Greek work temuriak which means restoration.

Some will no doubt reply to this by stating, as some do, that Peter was not promising that God would restore everything but only those things of which the prophets had spoken.

The grammatical construction of this sentence declares the exact opposite to be the truth. Peter was actually saying that all the prophets from the beginning of the world had prophesied that there would be a restoration of all things and that the restoration would indeed be universal and would include all things.

Note

In the scripture quoted (Acts 3:21, KJV) there is a comma after the word things. This comma indicates that the clause following : “which God hath spoken by the mouth of His holy prophets since the world began” – is what is known as a non-restrictive clause. A non-restrictive clause is one which can be omitted without changing or destroying the meaning of the principal clause or main statement. (See Mastering Effective English by Tressler-Lewis, Revised Edition, Pages 545-546.) It simply adds further information.
 
Old 12-16-2020, 02:38 PM
 
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The Sheep & The Goats

This is one of the most vivid parables Jesus ever spoke, and the lesson is crystal clear—that God will judge us in accordance with our reaction to human need. His judgment does not depend on the knowledge we have amassed, or the fame that we have acquired, or the fortune that we have gained, but on the help that we have given. And there are certain things which this parable teaches us about the help which we must give.

https://stjohnoneone.com/2017/06/12/...lliam-barclay/
 
Old 12-16-2020, 02:56 PM
 
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The Sheep & The Goats

This is one of the most vivid parables Jesus ever spoke, and the lesson is crystal clear—that God will judge us in accordance with our reaction to human need. His judgment does not depend on the knowledge we have amassed, or the fame that we have acquired, or the fortune that we have gained, but on the help that we have given. And there are certain things which this parable teaches us about the help which we must give.

https://stjohnoneone.com/2017/06/12/...lliam-barclay/
This is perhaps my favorite parable in scripture. Excellent post, Rose.
 
Old 12-16-2020, 07:49 PM
 
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Jesus was meant to be a game-changer for the human psyche and for religion itself. But when we begin negatively, or focused on a problem, we never get off the hamster wheel of shame, separation, and violence.

Rather than focusing on sin, Jesus—“the crucified One”—pointed us toward a primal solidarity with the very suffering of God and thus of all creation.

This changes everything. Change the starting point, and you change the trajectory, and even the final goal!

Love is the beginning, the way itself, and the final consummation.

God does not love us because we are good; God loves us because God is good.

Nothing we can do will either decrease or increase God’s eternal and infinite eagerness to love! -Richard Rohr
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