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Old 01-05-2016, 06:25 PM
 
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The human authors of the Bible, men with whom God actually communicated, men to whom Jesus actually spoke, men such as John and Paul, say differently. Your rejection of what they say doesn't change the reality of the situation. All men were condemned on the basis of Adam's sin. But God provided the solution to the problem.
The reality of the situation is that they SAY that G-d talked to them and you are trusting them...
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:27 PM
 
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It will be very unfortunate for Pleroo and you to be proven just how wrong it is to call Jesus (who is God) a liar.
Jesus is not G-d...He said so himself...YOU are the one that has decided to call him a liar and make him G-d...
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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Jesus is not G-d...He said so himself...
I believe He said that while as a man - pre Calvary.

BIG difference.
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:35 PM
 
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Condemnation is removed when a person receives Christ as Savior. But all men are born under condemnation. That is why salvation is necessary and why Jesus came into the world.
It is interesting that through out the Tanakh that G-d never mentioned that in all that time...
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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I believe He said that while as a man - pre Calvary.

BIG difference.
So, he became G-d after his resurrection?...
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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I believe He said that while as a man - pre Calvary.

BIG difference.
You BELIEVE...What is the basis of your belief?...Feelings?...
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You know what you sound like? You sound like a Mafia enforcer or a stereotypical religious fanatic / terrorist from the Middle East.
Yes, the voice of doom. He has a dark spirit. It's too bad. But most fundamentalists do, to some extent.

Their glass is always half-empty.

Is it any wonder their god is needy and jealous and wanting and petty and vengeful?

Believers' gods always represent themselves.
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I believe He said that while as a man - pre Calvary.

BIG difference.
Jesus never said that He wasn't God. He had always existed as God. But from the moment of His entry into the human race He became the God-man. Fully God and fully human. Theologically, this is referred to as the hypostatic union of Jesus. In the Person of Jesus Christ there are two natures; His divine nature as God, and His human nature. There is no mixture or bleeding over of His divine attributes into His human nature, or of His human attributes into His divine nature. Therefore His humanity is distinct from His deity.

This is why Jesus could say from the standpoint of His deity, ''Before Abraham was, I am'' (John 8:58). His humanity didn't exist eternally, but His deity did.

But from the standpoint of His humanity He could say, ''I thirst'' (19:28). Deity can't thirst, but as a man Jesus could be hungry, thirsty, tired,etc...

From the moment of His incarnation Jesus was, and eternally will be the unique person of the universe - the God-man.
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:49 PM
 
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Jesus is not G-d...He said so himself...YOU are the one that has decided to call him a liar and make him G-d...
Jesus is God ... even if your misplaced posts can't sp-ll it.
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign:
The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son,
and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
when Jesus said to people like you
"Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” ...
and their reply was:
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
Jesus in fact said he was God when he refuted them:
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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Jesus is God ... even if your misplaced posts can't sp-ll it.
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign:
The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son,
and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
when Jesus said to people like you
"Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” ...
and their reply was:
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
Jesus in fact said he was God when he stated:
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
To whom did Jesus pray ? Himself?
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