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You know nothing. The men to whom God actually communicated His word, His truth, have recorded in Scripture that man was condemned because of sin, and that God provided the means to remedy the situation. God's righteousness demanded a penalty for sin. God's justice carried out the requirements of His righteousness by condemning mankind, and God's love motivated Him to provide salvation from condemnation by sending Christ Jesus into the world to die for our sins, as our substitute, so that whoever simply trusts in Him for eternal life is delivered from condemnation.
Bluster and indoctrination. Love does not condemn people.
The human authors of the Bible, men with whom God actually communicated, men to whom Jesus actually spoke, men such as John and Paul, say differently. Your rejection of what they say doesn't change the reality of the situation. All men were condemned on the basis of Adam's sin. But God provided the solution to the problem.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged (as in condemned) already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 5:15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16] The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18] So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19] For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Some will choose to believe your denial. I believe the men to whom God actually communicated His word.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
Where do those verses say God condemns people?
Anyway, I know that if God is love, (as the bible you believe in declares), then God condemns no one. The two ideas are self-contradictory. Either God is love OR God condemns -- both statements can be wrong, but they can't both be right.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
You know nothing. The men to whom God actually communicated His word, His truth, have recorded in Scripture that man was condemned because of sin, and that God provided the means to remedy the situation. God's righteousness demanded a penalty for sin. God's justice carried out the requirements of His righteousness by condemning mankind, and God's love motivated Him to provide salvation from condemnation by sending Christ Jesus into the world to die for our sins, as our substitute, so that whoever simply trusts in Him for eternal life is delivered from condemnation.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
Bluster and indoctrination. Love does not condemn people.
As I said, I believe the men to whom God actually did communicate His word and who in turn communicated God's word in the Scriptures. I have every reason to believe them, and no reason whatsoever to believe you who are, and have long been in rebellion against God's word. I think we're done here. And I hope the OP has better sense than to take your word over that of the writers of Scripture.
As I said, I believe the men to whom God actually did communicate His word and who in turn communicated God's word in the Scriptures. I have every reason to believe them, and no reason whatsoever to believe you who are, and have long been in rebellion against God's word. I think we're done here. And I hope the OP has better sense than to take your word over that of the writers of Scripture.
LOL. How childish.
Pleroo is further down the path of enlightenment and truth than you or any bible thumper will ever be.
If Jesus said that God condemns people, I might call him mistaken. But I don't recall that he is recorded as having said that.
Since the people who hated him could not prove him of any sin, since Jesus claimed that he is "the" (i.e. the one and only) the Way, the Truth and the Life ... as the Truth, he is not mistaken.
Jesus said:
"all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."
and:
"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words;
the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day."
As I said, I believe the men to whom God actually did communicate His word and who in turn communicated God's word in the Scriptures. I have every reason to believe them, and no reason whatsoever to believe you who are, and have long been in rebellion against God's word. I think we're done here. And I hope the OP has better sense than to take your word over that of the writers of Scripture.
I hope the OP has the sense to follow the guide your scriptures say He promised rather than the authority men have raised up to take its place.
I hope the OP has the sense to follow the guide your scriptures say He promised rather than the authority men have raised up to take its place.
The guide - the Holy Spirit, was given to the writers of Scriptures and guided them unto all the truth - John 16:12-15. One result of that is the New Testament Scriptures. The Holy Spirit never contradicts what He inspired the New Testament writers to record in the Scriptures. Since the Scriptures are the communicated word of God they carry His very own authority.
The guide - the Holy Spirit, was given to the writers of Scriptures and guided them unto all the truth - John 16:12-15. One result of that is the New Testament Scriptures. The Holy Spirit never contradicts what He inspired the New Testament writers to record in the Scriptures. Since the Scriptures are the communicated word of God they carry His very own authority.
A doctrine of men set up to justify replacing the Spirit with a book so they can control what is taught by their interpretations of those "scriptures. You should know better.
The guide - the Holy Spirit, was given to the writers of Scriptures and guided them unto all the truth - John 16:12-15. One result of that is the New Testament Scriptures. The Holy Spirit never contradicts what He inspired the New Testament writers to record in the Scriptures. Since the Scriptures are the communicated word of God they carry His very own authority.
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A doctrine of men set up to justify replacing the Spirit with a book so they can control what is taught by their interpretations of those "scriptures. You should know better.
The Scriptures do not replace the Holy Spirit and the writers of the Bible never said or implied that such was the case. Your attitude regarding the Scriptures is a matter between you and God. The apostles and those associated with them who wrote the New Testament letters both spoke and wrote the word of God. And who should be believed? Them . . . or you? I side with the men whom God chose to communicate His word. And that's not you. Your opinion can be disregarded for what it is. It's not the topic of this thread anyway.
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If Jesus said that God condemns people, I might call him mistaken. But I don't recall that he is recorded as having said that.
