The Truth About Hell (messages, evolution, Calvinist, Almighty)
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The Bible is very clear in Revelation 20:11-15 that all the unsaved wicked who have clearly rejected Christ will be resurrected to be brought before the Great White Throne Judgment and will be judged according to their works which are found in the books mentioned in verse 12. The conclusion is that because their names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life that they are cast alive in the lake of fire which is Gehenna and it burns with fire and brimstone. Revelation 21:8 also gives a long list of the wicked that will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone. If God is a holy God and cannot stand sin then He clearly will have to punish sinners who have rejected Him. God is a God of love but He is also a God of justice.
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Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA
AMEN! Yes the Bible is VERY clear about the people who are going to hell for eternity, no one gets to change their mind when they get there. But be ready to hear Scripture twisted as people will say the opposite of what the Bible teaches about this.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
What appears to be the obvious is that if serious bible study was the only ingredient to the truth, then incorrect conclusions would be avoidable and there wouldn't be so many false teachers and false religions.
The problem isn't with the student, it's with the teacher. Jesus taught about the God's justice, Paul wrote about the justice of Jesus\God
Luke 18:8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"
Acts 17:31
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed.
Romans 3:26
he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
A truthful teacher teaches that people will get justice. Those who have faith will be declared justified (holy) and those who don't will be declared unholy. This same teacher will teach it is only those who are declared justified will be considered children of God, and those who are not will be children of the evil one.
If justice means all goes to heaven, that would not make justice ... just. Thereby faith would be of no value.
What say you... when Jesus comes again, will he find faith? If faith = justification, then the answer would be little to even less.
Amen!! Praise the Lord.
Thank You, Father! Especially for those You have girded their waist with truth, and put on them Your breastplate of righteousness, and shodded their feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; and above all given them the shield of faith that they are able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one with the sword of Your Spirit, which is Your word!! ....
The gates of hell shall not prevail against Your word!!
The gates of hell shall not prevail against Your word!!
Amen and amen! Your Word stands! Furthermore, the gates of hell shall not prevail against Your Church. The gates of hell shall simply not stand period!
-Hell by Theologian Jurgen Moltmann-
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Its existence seems a contradiction to belief that in the end God will reign over all. Instead, it implies God will never finally triumph over evil.
The Bible is very clear in Revelation 20:11-15 that all the unsaved wicked who have clearly rejected Christ will be resurrected to be brought before the Great White Throne Judgment and will be judged according to their works which are found in the books mentioned in verse 12. The conclusion is that because their names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life that they are cast alive in the lake of fire which is Gehenna and it burns with fire and brimstone. Revelation 21:8 also gives a long list of the wicked that will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone. If God is a holy God and cannot stand sin then He clearly will have to punish sinners who have rejected Him. God is a God of love but He is also a God of justice.
The Lake of Theos/ Pur, Ryperry, is identical with our God who is consuming fire. The fact is all "the dead small and great" are to stand in the consuming fire where each mans "works" are judged (note works).
You draw many conclusions from this passage of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Can you demonstrate, for instance, what are "the books" and how do they compare with the Book of Life. Are all those who have "made a decision to follow Jesus" a part of the Book of Life? What is the Book of Life, and according to Scripture, who are found therein?
If "eternal hell" is correct, as Curly and Lover of N.C. maintain, why is death and hell consummated in the Lake of Fire/ Theos. Could it be that hell is not as eternal as surmised?
But, and it is a large but indeed...the revelation does not end with verse 15, it goes on without chapter and verse to declare a new heavens and a new earth, (kainos/new as in unprecedented) where the former things are passed away. Yes all cowards, all unbelieving, all abominable, all murderers, all sorcerers, all idolaters, all liars, shall have their part/ shall experience the Lake of Theos Pur and the effects of Theion/ Theios/ Theos. In the end is the Omega, from whom everything comes as Alpha, and in whom everything ends (including death and hell). And he showed me a pure River of the water of life gushing out of the throne and on either side of the River stood a tree of life....and the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse upon anything.
Plan A
There shall be no more curse/ anathema upon anything.
Plan b minus=
There shall continue to be anathema/ curse upon nearly everybody and everything.
I guess you would torture children night and day forever and ever. Thank God we have his justice and not man`s. Obviously you have never done any serious bible study and have no clue what the lake of fire is. Did God forgive the people who crucified Jesus?
Hi there Spm62...When the prophet and king David sinned, he had a choice: to fall into the hands of man, or into the hands of God. I also would rather fall into the hands of God and the Consuming Fire, without question!
"Getting back to my analogy of a parent. If I truly love my children, then every thing I do to (and for) them will be for their betterment, not simply to satisfy my own selfish desire for justice. So if I spank my children, as painful as it is to them, it must be done with a desire to better them in some way. If not, then I cannot say that I have truly loved them.
1 Corinthians 13 is a beautiful description of how we are to manifest love.
Love is patient and kind. Love knows neither envy nor jealousy. Love is not forward and self-assertive, nor boastful and conceited. She does not behave unbecomingly, nor seek to aggrandize herself, nor blaze out in passionate anger, nor brood over wrongs. She finds no pleasure in injustice done to others, but joyfully sides with the truth. She knows how to be silent. She is full of trust, full of hope, full of patient endurance. (1 Cor. 4-7, Weymouth NT)
So let me ask you then, what is the purpose of “eternal†punishment? If God's punishment never ends, then what purpose does it hold for the offender? What betterment to the sinner? The answer is none. And if there is no intent on correcting the behavior of the offender, the only purpose it could serve would be to either satisfy God's own sense of justice or to teach the poor sinner an “eternal†lesson. And in either case, this would be a selfish act because he would be thinking solely of himself. Certainly God would not have the best interest of the sinner at heart if His punishments continued without end. And isn't this what love is—being concerned for the welfare of another? The very essence of love is the idea that it is purely unselfish—it thinks not of itself (1 Cor. 13:8). If God acts in the manner prescribed by orthodox Christianity, how then can this be love? The idea of “eternal†hell shows that we believe in a god who acts simply to satisfy his own need for justice and revenge. Therefore, this is an act that cannot be considered love because it does not result in the betterment of the sinner. And if this is the case, then God is not love, at least to the great majority of those He torments “eternally.†Ken Eckerty
God bless.
God, our Father, is one: His justice is not at war with His grace, but flows in absolute union. Our God is the Father of all fathers: He punishes with one objective, and one objective ALONE, the peaceable fruits of righteousness. It is not, repeat not, mindless torture, or vindictive wrath, or endless correction, but correction/ kolasis that produces change in the individual to whom it is applied. Our God is love: that is not one of His characteristics it is His essence....God is love!
Well, Shana, I thank God for you, and all those whose voice is raised in union with the Lord Jesus Christ. To Him be glory and praise forever!
There is the metaphor from the lawcourts and the idea of justification. It is here we reach the very heart of Paul's own faith, for here we reach the doctrine of Justification by Faith. No man can be justified by works; that Paul knew from bitter experience (Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16; 3:11). A man is justified by faith and therein finds his peace with God (Romans 3:28; 5:1).
It is unfortunate that here the word justification is being used in a non-English and an unusual sense.
Usually the verb to justify means to produce reasons why a person was right to act as he did. But when Paul says that God justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5) it is clear that he cannot mean that God produces reasons to prove that the sinner was right to act as he did, and is right to be a sinner. In Greek the verb is dikaioun. Greek verbs which end in -oun, when they describe moral qualities, do not mean to make a man such and such a thing, they mean to treat, reckon. account, regard a man as such and such a thing.
So when Paul speaks of God justifying the ungodly, quite simply he means that God treats the sinner as if he was a good man. In his amazing love God treats the hell-deserving sinner as a beloved son.
The perfect example of Justification by Faith in action is the parable of the prodigal son. The son planned to come back and to ask to be received as a hired servant: he never got the chance to make the request; he is welcomed as a son (Luke 15:11-32). Here indeed is a Gospel. All that we could have expected is condemnation, and lo and behold we meet with welcoming love. The relationship between God and man is completely changed. We can now think of God not as the threatening judge but as the waiting father, and we can come to him in heart-broken penitence but nonetheless in childlike confidence and trust.
If every time we meet the word justification we translate it to come into a right relationship with God, the whole matter becomes clear. No human being can ever enter into a right relationship with God through works of the Law (Romans 3:20). Since through faith we are in a right relationship with God we have peace with him through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1).
Why by faith? Because all this sounds too good to be true, and all that we can do is to make the act of trust which accepts it as true, and which in that trust comes to God. Why through Jesus Christ? Because apart from Jesus Christ and without him no man could ever have discovered that God is like this.
The other name for all this is grace.
Grace is something which a man can never earn, but which is freely and spontaneously given to him, and which he can only accept. The essence of the Pauline faith is the acceptance of the fact that we cannot save ourselves, but that we can only trustingly and lovingly accept that which God so generously offers.
But the matter cannot be left there. It would be posssible to interpret all that we have so far seen as a reason for holding that sin does not matter any more. If God treats the sinner as a good man, why worry about sin any more ? If grace is all-important, and if man must stop striving and start receiving, why not simply relax all discipline and let desire have full play? In point of fact this is precisely the argument that Paul had to meet, and we shall meet it again in other parts of the NT. Behind the questions in Romans 6:1 there is a hidden conversation. "What shall we then say? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?" The argument runs like this......
The Lake of Theos/ Pur, Ryperry, is identical with our God who is consuming fire. The fact is all "the dead small and great" are to stand in the consuming fire where each mans "works" are judged (note works).
You draw many conclusions from this passage of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Can you demonstrate, for instance, what are "the books" and how do they compare with the Book of Life. Are all those who have "made a decision to follow Jesus" a part of the Book of Life? What is the Book of Life, and according to Scripture, who are found therein?
If "eternal hell" is correct, as Curly and Lover of N.C. maintain, why is death and hell consummated in the Lake of Fire/ Theos. Could it be that hell is not as eternal as surmised?
But, and it is a large but indeed...the revelation does not end with verse 15, it goes on without chapter and verse to declare a new heavens and a new earth, (kainos/new as in unprecedented) where the former things are passed away. Yes all cowards, all unbelieving, all abominable, all murderers, all sorcerers, all idolaters, all liars, shall have their part/ shall experience the Lake of Theos Pur and the effects of Theion/ Theios/ Theos. In the end is the Omega, from whom everything comes as Alpha, and in whom everything ends (including death and hell). And he showed me a pure River of the water of life gushing out of the throne and on either side of the River stood a tree of life....and the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse upon anything.
Plan A
There shall be no more curse/ anathema upon anything.
Plan b minus=
There shall continue to be anathema/ curse upon nearly everybody and everything.
Amen!! Praise the Lord.
Thank You, Father! Especially for those You have girded their waist with truth, and put on them Your breastplate of righteousness, and shodded their feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; and above all given them the shield of faith that they are able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one with the sword of Your Spirit, which is Your word!! ....
The gates of hell shall not prevail against Your word!!
Amen! God bless.
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