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Old 09-15-2011, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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So...you are saying, he's not worthy of guidance? My belief is, that people who ACTUALLY do this type of thing are sick and the only hope they have of rehabilitation is in God, if they truely want it.
The church should not turn it's back, but instead take precautions. As for the friend who brings the guy, she's not being wise but we can't judge her heart.
I agree. The only person who deserves blame is the rapist.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Rockwall
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There are unanswered questions in this.

If he is indeed guilty as accused:
Has he denied the allegations?
If so, then he's putting the victim through more abuse. I agree he needs help, but not at a 'family bible study' in a private home where children and teenagers are present.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:25 PM
 
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So...you are saying, he's not worthy of guidance? My belief is, that people who ACTUALLY do this type of thing are sick and the only hope they have of rehabilitation is in God, if they truely want it.
The church should not turn it's back, but instead take precautions. As for the friend who brings the guy, she's not being wise but we can't judge her heart.
Forgive me for assuming that this "person" had already received guidance, which led him to fathering children.
Notwithstanding, it's apparent that he deemed himself unworthy of any further guidance by his actions...guidance, that if he truly wanted, might have helped in preventing him from molesting his own daughter, which a police officer identified her as having shown the signs of having previously been, prior to the final straw of this monsters injustice against his own daughter...an injustice which the man's own son corroborated under oath.
And you are absolutely correct...the church should not turn it's back. However, based upon the original posters written testimony, the church has turned it's back by reason of their cowardly inaction.
If precautions had been taken someone in their right mind would have stepped up to the plate already and assumed an apostolic position in order to delegate responsibilities to arrive at a biblical solution.
From what I've read so far, no one has assumed The First Place to judge this woman's "heart." Nevertheless, her intentions serve only herself, not the accused. If she had brought her brains home from vacation, she would have spoken to the church in advance prior to her assumption of "good intentions."
The Blessings of The Eternal One bring you to your scriptural senses...
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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So...you are saying, he's not worthy of guidance? My belief is, that people who ACTUALLY do this type of thing are sick and the only hope they have of rehabilitation is in God, if they truely want it.
The church should not turn it's back, but instead take precautions. As for the friend who brings the guy, she's not being wise but we can't judge her heart.
He's worthy of guidance. Just not in a group that includes children. It's not about judgment--it's about safety. I think he would be more suited in an all-adults Bible study.
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Old 09-17-2011, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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He's worthy of guidance. Just not in a group that includes children. It's not about judgment--it's about safety. I think he would be more suited in an all-adults Bible study.
Right. Here is my first response to the OP's question.


"I have a close loved one who WAS falsely accused so I understand the innocent until proven guilty thing, at the same time, if you honestly believe the girl and her brother (as you know them and their personalities) then, you need to ensure everyone's safety.
Perhaps it should be pointed out to your friend that it would be in the man's best interest not to put himself in a posistion that may make his motives look questionable. My loved one still attended services at his church during the investigation etc. but he sat up front nand stayed far away from anything "kid-related" still does actually.
My suggestion is for your friend to contact the deacons or persons responisble for evangilism, and maybe they can set up some sort of meeting for him"



My opinion hasn't changed. To clarify, the guy should be in an adult Bible study, or have meetings with the deacons/Evangilism people if the church isn't comfortable with the man in a Bible study...but the church should not turn it's back
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Englewood, FL
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In my opinion, he might benefit more from a men's bible study under the discipleship of a mature Christian man.
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