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Old 07-13-2011, 12:40 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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"The Hebrew word for "changed His mind" is nacham. It also means "relented" and it "does not mean that God changed His mind but that He embarked on another course of action."

Please explain how embarking on a different course of action than that which you intended to follow, is not changing your mind.
The difference is between God having to change His mind because of learning something that He did not know, which is impossible because God is omniscient and therefore already knows the knowable, or of changing His mind simply because He decided to do things differently, and of carrying out a course of action with regard to volitional choices on the part of people to either obey or disobey Him. For instance, obedience to God brings blessing, while disobedience brings discipline. God responds to the choices made by man. Choices which from eternity past, God knew would be made and were therefore taken into consideration in the divine decrees of God. Actually, it is one big decree of God taking into account all the actual thoughts, decisions and actions of everyone who will ever live and determining their certain futurition.

If you don't know what the divine decrees of God refer to, here is a study on the subject; http://www.wenstrom.org/downloads/wr...ne_decrees.pdf
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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The difference is between God having to change His mind because of learning something that He did not know, which is impossible because God is omniscient and therefore already knows the knowable, or of changing His mind simply because He decided to do things differently,.......
If your god decides to do something differently from what he planned to do then he has changed his mind.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:22 AM
 
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Mike, was there ever a time when Jesus wasn't God?

"God is eternal life and therefore cannot die." ... Did Jesus stop being God when he died?

"He cannot learn anything. He already knows everything that can be known."
Yet Jesus grew in wisdom, Jesus was human in every way. That is why Jesus as God John 1:1 knows when the end will come and yet at the same time only the Father knows. Matthew 24:36



A square cannot be a circle at the same time that it is a square.

But that is what the Triune God is: (that's why I said triangle in the title)
"In Christ the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" Colossians 2:9

"In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God" John 1:1



I agree but for a different reason....

It's not that he cannot, he could if he wanted to. It's that it is his pleasure for something to happen or not to.

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Romans 8:8
Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Jesus is Gods prophet .. he is not God ,This short sentence solves all the contradictions and problems that we can clearly see in the Christian religion .
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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If your god decides to do something differently from what he planned to do then he has changed his mind.
You say, ''your god.'' Oh. You don't even believe in God. There is no point in discussing it with you then. You wouldn't understand.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:51 PM
 
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Jesus is Gods prophet .. he is not God ,This short sentence solves all the contradictions and problems that we can clearly see in the Christian religion .
Jesus Christ is God. This is clearly taught in the Scriptures and has been discussed time after time on this forum. People who will not open their eyes to the fact that Jesus Christ is God have no desire to do so.
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Old 07-13-2011, 06:51 PM
 
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Jesus Christ is God. This is clearly taught in the Scriptures and has been discussed time after time on this forum. People who will not open their eyes to the fact that Jesus Christ is God have no desire to do so.

Yes .. Jesus is God.
That was the accusation of him .

John 10:33
“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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You say, ''your god.'' Oh. You don't even believe in God. There is no point in discussing it with you then. You wouldn't understand.
Ah right!
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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A circle is not a triangle, nor can it be.
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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A circle is not a triangle, nor can it be.
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
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Old 07-15-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Yes I agree with that as well, but you have to understand the context of what is meant there.

God cannot lie.
Yet with God all things are possible.
But why then is it God cannot lie?

twin.spin, what your question really boils down to is can God change the truth to be a lie? And the answer is no He cannot. Truth is truth, in that sense it is self-existent. We can also say that God is truth.

It is true that a circle is a two-dimensional shape with all points equidistant from a center point. A circle by any other name is still a circle.
It is true that a triangle is a two-dimensional shape with 3 sides. And likewise a triangle by any other name is still a triangle.

It is a lie to say that a circle can be a triangle.
Thus it is not possible to be.

This kind of question is akin to asking can God make 2+2=5 or can God make a stone so big that even He cannot lift it? These are really illogical questions - similar to your circle/triangle question - they break the law of identity (a thing is what it is), and essentially ask if God can turn the truth into a lie.

No, God cannot turn the truth into a lie. God does not lie. God is the truth.

Hope that made sense.
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