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God is immutable. He is unalterable. He is not capable of, or susceptible to change.
"So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people," Exodus 32:14, NASB
“When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened.” Jonah 3:10
God as all powerful does not conflict with God the Creator. As Creator he created laws for creatures that exist in "time & space." He created time & space but He is not subject to the laws of time and space, His creatures have to exist in those limitations. The same would apply to heavenly creatures that exist in a demension beyond time & space or different from time & space (Ie; spiritual existence superceding time & space)
What is in the black spaces or black holes of the universe as opposed to the galaxies or planets or stars that exist in time & space in the universe? Where is the spiritual realm that does not occupy time & space? Where does God abide - maybe in neither place?
We are stuck in a demension that we know by our senses, but these senses are irrelevant in the other demensions or places of our Creator and beyond our comprehension.
Exactly. There are some folks within fundamentalism that definitely are this way. Part of their peace in this world, is thinking that others that they disdain (unbelievers) will not be "gettin' to go to heaven like me." The thinking is all black/white, heaven/hell, etc. They're focusing on rewards and pearly gates and others be shoved into fires and darkness... and it helps keep them feeling "ok" with the world around them "Well as long as I end up getting rewarded for doing this relgious thing, as long as I'm sacrificing all the "good-time having" I'm ok with that because I'm going to heaven and all these people "getting to sin" are going to hell.
That's a heart that is ill and needs to be healed. (and it eventually will.)
That's a mindset that has not yet even really begun to start understanding what this whole life is even about. That's a mindset that doesn't understand that there is nothing "fun or joyful" about "sin". That all sin leads to destruction. That all sin is really "non-love" and they've got a boatload of it sitting in their own hearts that they are not even fully aware of yet. It's not about heaven or hell, but about LIFE NOW. About love, about God, about what leads to life! They are missing the whole point.
But again, this will ALL eventually be healed.
And before folks come on here freaking out, if the above doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't apply to you. But I have known people both online and in real life who absolutely fit the above.
There are LOTS of different types of believers out there.
Because of where they are on their own path...
That is what makes it so difficult to talk about, because there are so many different perspectives based on your own personal knowledge and growth thus far.
BUT.... with that said, there are so many perspectives, though, for a reason. We are being shown something, and all of these different perspectives, no matter how right or how wrong, will eventually end up assisting in the revelation of knowledge. We're all in this together and no-one is better than another. We're all equal. Each of our unique paths in this world, I believe, is going to end up actually being for the benefit of all. WE are ALL in this TOGETHER.
Is God more powerful than physics?
Is God more powerful than geometry?
Is God so powerful that he can't limit himself?
Next Jesus was taken into the wild by the Spirit for the Test. The Devil was ready to give it. Jesus prepared for the Test by fasting forty days and forty nights. That left him, of course, in a state of extreme hunger, which the Devil took advantage of in the first test: "Since you are God's Son, speak the word that will turn these stones into loaves of bread." 4Jesus answered by quoting Deuteronomy: "It takes more than bread to stay alive. It takes a steady stream of words from God's mouth." Matt. 4:1-3 (The Message)
I suppose you could substitute "circle" for stones and "triangle" for bread. Maybe that's just a great big non-answer to your question, twin. That just seems to be what came to mind.
Next Jesus was taken into the wild by the Spirit for the Test. The Devil was ready to give it. Jesus prepared for the Test by fasting forty days and forty nights. That left him, of course, in a state of extreme hunger, which the Devil took advantage of in the first test: "Since you are God's Son, speak the word that will turn these stones into loaves of bread." 4Jesus answered by quoting Deuteronomy: "It takes more than bread to stay alive. It takes a steady stream of words from God's mouth." Matt. 4:1-3 (The Message)
I suppose you could substitute "circle" for stones and "triangle" for bread. Maybe that's just a great big non-answer to your question, twin. That just seems to be what came to mind.
Or when Jesus was being confronted for people crying out "hosanana" ...Jesus said if these people didn't, the stones would.
The point still comes down to that God's power ultimatly operates within the confines of his pleasure to do something or not.
God as all powerful does not conflict with God the Creator. As Creator he created laws for creatures that exist in "time & space." He created time & space but He is not subject to the laws of time and space, His creatures have to exist in those limitations. The same would apply to heavenly creatures that exist in a demension beyond time & space or different from time & space (Ie; spiritual existence superceding time & space)
What is in the black spaces or black holes of the universe as opposed to the galaxies or planets or stars that exist in time & space in the universe? Where is the spiritual realm that does not occupy time & space? Where does God abide - maybe in neither place?
We are stuck in a demension that we know by our senses, but these senses are irrelevant in the other demensions or places of our Creator and beyond our comprehension.
Well said. I have the same thoughts about the differing of realms. Physicists know there are dimensions that we cannot see with our natural eyes.
God as all powerful does not conflict with God the Creator. As Creator he created laws for creatures that exist in "time & space." He created time & space but He is not subject to the laws of time and space, His creatures have to exist in those limitations. The same would apply to heavenly creatures that exist in a demension beyond time & space or different from time & space (Ie; spiritual existence superceding time & space)
What is in the black spaces or black holes of the universe as opposed to the galaxies or planets or stars that exist in time & space in the universe? Where is the spiritual realm that does not occupy time & space? Where does God abide - maybe in neither place?
We are stuck in a demension that we know by our senses, but these senses are irrelevant in the other demensions or places of our Creator and beyond our comprehension.
Excellent point. A circle cannot be a square cannot be a triangle in our current understanding of the dimensions of time and space. But the more we learn about physics, the more we realize that we DON'T understand it all. It's why so many scientists believe more strongly in the Divine as they learn more. God supercedes time and space.
God as all powerful does not conflict with God the Creator. As Creator he created laws for creatures that exist in "time & space." He created time & space but He is not subject to the laws of time and space, His creatures have to exist in those limitations. The same would apply to heavenly creatures that exist in a demension beyond time & space or different from time & space (Ie; spiritual existence superceding time & space)
What is in the black spaces or black holes of the universe as opposed to the galaxies or planets or stars that exist in time & space in the universe? Where is the spiritual realm that does not occupy time & space? Where does God abide - maybe in neither place?
We are stuck in a demension that we know by our senses, but these senses are irrelevant in the other demensions or places of our Creator and beyond our comprehension.
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Originally Posted by Heartsong
Well said. I have the same thoughts about the differing of realms. Physicists know there are dimensions that we cannot see with our natural eyes.
Originally Posted by Mike555
'God is immutable. He is unalterable. He is not capable of, or susceptible to change.'
"So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people," Exodus 32:14, NASB
“When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened.” Jonah 3:10
Reference is to post #14.
I'm not spending much time on this forum for the moment, so I will simply refer you to the following site which while not specifically addressing the two verses you referred to, it nevertheless addresses your apparent argument concerning what I said about God not changing His mind.
The point of this was to challange the thought that God couldn't do something.
We have no capability to even to begin to understand the 3 persons of God, yet only one God.
We can't understand that God (while above the creation) subjected himself to it's limitations when Jesus walked the earth in the servant form.
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Well said. I have the same thoughts about the differing of realms. Physicists know there are dimensions that we cannot see with our natural eyes.
