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Old 07-11-2011, 04:02 AM
 
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The point of this was to challange the thought that God couldn't do something.
We have no capability to even to begin to understand the 3 persons of God, yet only one God.

We can't understand that God (while above the creation) subjected himself to it's limitations when Jesus walked the earth in the servant form.
Amen.... !!!
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Is God more powerful than physics?
Is God more powerful than geometry?

Is God so powerful that he can't limit himself?

This is all considering what someone intends to mean by the phrase all powerful.

If ALL POWERFUL is used to mean that God can do absolutely anything that we can come up with no matter how ridiculous, then the answer is no he is not.

Can God make a rock too heavy for him to lift, the answer is NO, it is an easy answer and that answer is irrelevant to anything meaningful.

God however is All powerful over everything. This means that someone who thinks they are clever will not be able to come up with anything that means a hill of beans concerning the perception they try to create of the foolishness and weakness of God.


1C 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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The point of this was to challange the thought that God couldn't do something.
We have no capability to even to begin to understand the 3 persons of God, yet only one God.

We can't understand that God (while above the creation) subjected himself to it's limitations when Jesus walked the earth in the servant form.

Actually you don't believe what you just said.

All those who present these challenges end up saying we cannot understand God while promoting doctrines that promote their understanding of God. If you cannot understand God, then you have no business telling others about your understanding of God, you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

We can understand God, the problem is that you wish for people to believe what you say about God as if you have been given that understanding.

The idea that we cannot understand God is a ruse and ridiculous.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Is God more powerful than physics?
Yes. God invented what we understand as physics.

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Is God more powerful than geometry?
Yes, and for the same reason.

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Is God so powerful that he can't limit himself?
How could an infinite and almighty God limit Himself in a way we would understand when we are so limited? A cirular triangle is not something we can understand because of our dualistic thinking, but God who is beyond all dualism does things we can't imagine.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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The idea that we cannot understand God is a ruse and ridiculous.
Is it? I would say the opposite. I would say that God is necessarily ineffable. A Supreme Being is ineffable or it isn't a Supreme Being at all. If it turns out to be just a man behind a curtain speaking into a microphone, it's a ruse.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Is it? I would say the opposite. I would say that God is necessarily ineffable. A Supreme Being is ineffable or it isn't a Supreme Being at all. If it turns out to be just a man behind a curtain speaking into a microphone, it's a ruse.

But you contradict yourself by promoting an understanding.

If you cannot understand God, then you have nothing to say about him at all.
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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How could an infinite and almighty God limit Himself in a way we would understand when we are so limited? A cirular triangle is not something we can understand because of our dualistic thinking, but God who is beyond all dualism does things we can't imagine.
Exactly....everything is done to God's pleasure and permission. We only know what we do because it's the only existance that we can relate to. Things are the way they are not because of God's inability but because it was the way he decided to form it.
"God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be."
This is why the afterlife is spoken as "is like...." . What's coming down the pike is totally beyond any senses that humanity can conjure.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:02 PM
 
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Exactly....everything is done to God's pleasure and permission. We only know what we do because it's the only existance that we can relate to. Things are the way they are not because of God's inability but because it was the way he decided to form it.
"God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be."
This is why the afterlife is spoken as "is like...." . What's coming down the pike is totally beyond any senses that humanity can conjure.

Yet, you are providing an understanding while saying God is not able to be understood. You inherantly have no idea that God is unable or able since you claim God cannot be understood. To say that God does not have any inabilities is inherantly saying you have an understanding of God.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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"indeed" and "ofcourse" these people know nothing for sure.
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Reference is to post #14.

I'm not spending much time on this forum for the moment, so I will simply refer you to the following site which while not specifically addressing the two verses you referred to, it nevertheless addresses your apparent argument concerning what I said about God not changing His mind.

Jeremiah 26:19, "...the Lord changed His mind..." | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

From your link...

"The Hebrew word for "changed His mind" is nacham. It also means "relented" and it "does not mean that God changed His mind but that He embarked on another course of action."

Please explain how embarking on a different course of action than that which you intended to follow, is not changing your mind.
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