Who are the Children of Promise ? (Revelation, Jesus Christ, Israel, Jacob)

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by lee9786

Simply taking one verse out of context. Who is Tim talking to?

This is the kind of illogical thinking that permeates the mainstream interpretations and dogma. If I say the "Sky is blue" to an audience of believers does that mean it is only blue for believers???? The desire to fit the square peg of dogma into the round hole of God's truth leads to all manner of absurd rationales.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

This is the kind of illogical thinking that permeates the mainstream interpretations and dogma. If I say the "Sky is blue" to an audience of believers does that mean it is only blue for believers???? The desire to fit the square peg of dogma into the round hole of God's truth leads to all manner of absurd rationales.

That makes no sense....

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

That makes no sense....

Well . . . give it some time . . . it will come to you if you think about it hard enough.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Well . . . give it some time . . . it will come to you if you think about it hard enough.

Timothy was speaking to a certain audience for a certain reason...It was addressed to that audience...In particular...Therefore your statement makes no sense whatsoever...You are just a woman that hates men and therefore i see your comments "doctrines of MEN" to be biased...I also believe if most of the Christian doctrines were written by women you would not have a problem then...This is what i see from your behavior...And your comments...

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

Timothy was speaking to a certain audience for a certain reason...It was addressed to that audience...In particular...Therefore your statement makes no sense whatsoever...You are just a woman that hates men and therefore i see your comments "doctrines of MEN" to be biased...I also believe if most of the Christian doctrines were written by women you would not have a problem then...This is what i see from your behavior...And your comments...

Another fan complimenting me on being a woman. I appreciate the compliment . . . but I am a man. Don't give up your day job. You are not very good at this psychic stuff. You have so far guessed nothing right about me.

You are saying then that if Timothy had said to this audience ALL will see a blue sky tomorrow . . . that would mean that he meant that only his audience would see a blue sky tomorrow???

[Heartsong]

Originally Posted by lee9786

Simply taking one verse out of context. Who is Tim talking to?

You call him Tim? Have you met him personally?

1 Timothy 1

5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm .

8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Another fan complimenting me on being a woman. I appreciate the compliment . . . but I am a man. Don't give up your day job. You are not very good at this psychic stuff. You have so far guessed nothing right about me.

You are saying then that if Timothy had said to this audience ALL will see a blue sky tomorrow . . . that would mean that he meant that only his audience would see a blue sky tomorrow???

It means his target audience would see a blue sky tomorrow...whether others outside his target audience saw it would not concern him...As for whether or not you are in fact a woman, i am only going by what others have said regarding you without contestation...

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

It means his target audience would see a blue sky tomorrow...whether others outside his target audience saw it would not concern him..

This is absurd rationalization and obstinance. It would mean no such thing. The universality of a truth is not determined by or dependent on the audience to which it is addressed.

As for whether or not you are in fact a woman, i am only going by what others have said regarding you without contestation...

So far only you and Asheville Native have made that assertion that I am aware of . . . and I have corrected both of you.

[savedbysovereigngrace]

Rom 9:9

9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

Gal 4:28

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Thats what it means to be a child of promise , a believer. Just as Isaac was.

God promised Abraham a believing seed. Gen 17:2-5

1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Each child of promise, God will reveal to them the Covenant as He did Isaac.

Look Gen 26:1-4

1And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.

2And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:

3Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;

4And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Thats the Gospel being revealed, Peter Called it the Covenant Acts 3:25

25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Paul calls the same Promise the Gospel Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So the Covenant and the Gospel are the same. Now all the Children of Promise, who are born sinners by nature as others are, and so was Isaac, shall in their lifetime have the Covenant or Gospel revealed to them because they are Children of the promise and when that happens they believe..

They are Children of the Covenant. What Covenant ? This one Gen 17:2-5,7

2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.


7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

So believers are a result of God establishing His Covenant with Abraham's seed, or Children after Him as He said.

So therefore Paul writes Gal 3:7

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Thats why they are of Faith, because of God's Promise to multiply Abraham's Seed.

They are a result of God's word of Promise ! BTW, That is who the True Israel of scripture is as well, The Children of Promise ! Rom 9:8

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by savedbysovereigngrace

Thats why they are of Faith, because of God's Promise to multiply Abraham's Seed.
They are a result of God's word of Promise ! BTW, That is who the True Israel of scripture is as well, The Children of Promise ! Rom 9:8

It has nothing to do with physical "seed," SBSG. Your Satan's seed doctrine is heresy, bigotry and evil, personified.