The mother and brother of Jennifer Hudson were found shot dead Friday at a South Side home (Concord: crimes, neighborhoods)

[Drover]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

Where this particular family in this particular situation was living is totally irrelevant as has been stated.

I disagree that it's "totally irrelevant." It wouldn't have mattered if they'd moved out within the last couple of years... but in the grand scheme of things, you're a less likely to meet and form relationships with crappy people capable of doing crappy things like this if you live in a non-crappy neighborhood.

[cap1717]

Originally Posted by Drover

I disagree that it's "totally irrelevant." It wouldn't have mattered if they'd moved out within the last couple of years... but in the grand scheme of things, you're a less likely to meet and form relationships with crappy people capable of doing crappy things like this if you live in a non-crappy neighborhood.

Yes, you do have a point. That I guess, is why I am so concerned about improving these types of neighborhoods, rather than abandoning them!

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Drover

I disagree that it's "totally irrelevant." It wouldn't have mattered if they'd moved out within the last couple of years... but in the grand scheme of things, you're a less likely to meet and form relationships with crappy people capable of doing crappy things like this if you live in a non-crappy neighborhood.

I get what you're saying, Drover, but scum comes in all sizes, shapes, colors, classes, and neighborhoods. The location and the victims relation to a celebrity may make it seem more sensational, but this is really just another incident of domestic violence that can, and does, happen anywhere.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

I get what you're saying, Drover, but scum comes in all sizes, shapes, colors, classes, and neighborhoods. The location and the victims relation to a celebrity may make it seem more sensational, but this is really just another incident of domestic violence that can, and does, happen anywhere.

Oh come on -- spare me the pseudo-equivalence nonsense. I've made it perfectly clear by now that I refuse to play the "let's pretend like the incidence of crime and proportion of scummy people is the same everywhere" game. It's factually untrue, it's intellectually dishonest, and it insults peoples' intelligence. Most people know that you are statistically more likely to be the victim of violent crime and find particularly crappy people in very specific neighborhoods, and most people know where those neighborhoods are -- or at the very least know that Englewood is one of them. And the longer we pretend otherwise with reductionist mumbo-jumbo like " scum comes in all sizes, shapes, colors, classes, and neighborhoods", the longer the worse neighborhoods will stay that way.

[skyeINIL]

If this were a drug deal gone bad or a random gang shooting I would agree. However, this is a domestic violence shooting. In that case, my "pseudo-equivalance nonsense" statement stands.

I am in no way defending Englewood or speaking of high crime neighborhoods in general.

[Drover]

So, you really think this woman would have been just as likely to have met and married a violent thug with a 20-mile-long rap sheet if she lived in Skokie as if she lived in Englewood? Are you seriously in that much denial?

[skyeINIL]

Are you in that much denial that you think domestic violence is more prevalent in neighborhoods like Englewood? It's not usually the braided-up violent thug with a 20-mile-long rap sheet that we hear about killing their entire family.

[cap1717]

Drover and Skye both make reasonable points here. Who one "marries" is more a matter of personal judgement than it is location. Surely you are not arguing that there are no "decent" guys in Englewood?
We all know how "funny" we act when controlled by our hormones however, so, Drover, you are correct in that if you are surrounded by desperate, and perhaps criminal young people, you are more likely to meet and marry such than if your friends and aquaintances are neither desperate nor criminal!. . . . . . it's a tie!

[Drover]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

Are you in that much denial that you think domestic violence is more prevalent in neighborhoods like Englewood?

Absolutely it is. Go to Everyblock and see for yourself where the great preponderance of domestic batteries occur.

[StuckPA]

Living in the city myself and having watched everything that goes on,I can say from the news at least that most of the street violence or arson or hit and runs are more indeed in the city versus alot of the domestic crimes that I notice happening mostly in the suburbs. Although I have seen reports of them carrying bodyparts out of some houses in the city at times also