New York vs Chicago, which is more dangerous?

[midwest1]

Let's give it a few years now that DeBlasio is Mayor iin NYC and stop and frisk is going away. Things might change, but yeah, at the moment, Chicago definitely has the worse stats, although for any city, it's all a matter of neighborhood.

[ChicagoMeO]

since the new New York mayor is a nut.. I would NEVER go there.

chicago is safer because we have not had a 911 here. it could happen, but im not going to worry about it.

[MichiVegas]

Not sure why people think NYC will have a different approach to crime under DeBlasio- his police commissioner is Bratton, only the toughest and most celebrated police chief in U.S. history- the guy who started the massive crime decreases in NYC and LA and has been a smashing success in every position he's held for the last 30 years or so.

And "stop and frisk" is irrelevant. It hasn't been used in significant measures in around 2 years now, yet crime has continued to drop, and DeBlasio supports stop and frisk (as does every other person with a brain); he was only opposed to a specific use of stop and frisk, and used it as a political wedge in the campaign. But there is no doubt that some iteration of stop and frisk is legal and will always be used by all police departments, whether Chicago, NYC or wherever.

[Kryvchuk]

so , where is better to live in Chicago with little kid??

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by Kryvchuk

so , where is better to live in Chicago with little kid??

How much $$$$$???

[Kryvchuk]

about 1000 $

[jsud94]

chicago crime is defiantly overrated and exaggerated, however it is more dangerous. The worst part of chicago which in my opinion is k town is much worse than anywere in modern day nyc i can think of.

[Rayarena]

I haven't read most of the comments that others have made, so if somebody already said what I am about to say, forgive the duplication.

As someone who has been to both cities, I have to say that despite the bad reputation that Chicago has, I believe that New York is a more dangerous city. You can, actually, feel it in the air. The problem with Chicago is that it has some marginal neighborhoods that give the city a bad name. However, those neighborhoods are far away from the center of the city and if you steer away from those neighborhoods, you are going to do just fine. This is reflected in the relaxed walk of most Chicagoans. I walked all over Chicago, by the lake, the beach, the downtown area, I took the subway and taxis everywhere, etc, etc… and I didn't have skittish people looking over their shoulder if I was walking behind them on a lonely street or through an alley. In NYC, if you are walking down a lonely street at night and you sense that someone turns the curve and is walking behind you, you look back and feel nervous. I noticed that women are the most nervous and often they will cross the street if a man is behind them. I didn't see this in Chicago. New Yorkers aren't more cowardly than Chicagoans, its that NY is more dangerous.

Please, also, keep in mind that NY crime statistics don't reflect reality. NYC mayors starting with Giuliani--the so-called law and order mayor--downplayed crime. I know this from friends who are cops. Giuliani based the success of his mayorship on bringing down crime and he did do that [no argument there], but he also exaggerated and Bloomberg not to be overshadowed by Giuliani, did the same. For instance, there are crack dens in certain neighborhoods and incredibly enough even though complaints are filed, the police doesn't do anything to clean them up, and it's not uncommon to downgrade a felony to a misdemeanor if it means lower crime statics for a precinct. Remember, police captains are under enormous pressure to bring down the crime. This is an edict from way on top. If at the end of a certain time, they can't prove that they've bought down crime in their precinct, they'll catch hell, so they'll have to creative with the stats.Even a murder might be reclassified an accident if they can get away with it.

Finally, if you go to both cities, you will notice that NYC has much more vandalism than Chicago, graffiti, garbage, and random destruction. In riding Chicago's subways, I couldn't help but notice how the handles that you grab on to in the subway cars are made of plastic. In NYC, if you had plastic handles on the subway, someone would take a box cutter and start cutting them. Before long, there wouldn't be one left on the subway.

So, no, I don't think that despite the reputation, Chicago is more dangerous than NYC. On the contrary, I think that its safer and it has a better quality of life thanks to its cleanness and lower crime.

[FAReastcoast]

Originally Posted by Rayarena

I haven't read most of the comments that others have made, so if somebody already said what I am about to say, forgive the duplication.

As someone who has been to both cities, I have to say that despite the bad reputation that Chicago has, I believe that New York is a more dangerous city. You can, actually, feel it in the air. The problem with Chicago is that it has some marginal neighborhoods that give the city a bad name. However, those neighborhoods are far away from the center of the city and if you steer away from those neighborhoods, you are going to do just fine. This is reflected in the relaxed walk of most Chicagoans. I walked all over Chicago, by the lake, the beach, the downtown area, I took the subway and taxis everywhere, etc, etc… and I didn't have skittish people looking over their shoulder if I was walking behind them on a lonely street or through an alley. In NYC, if you are walking down a lonely street at night and you sense that someone turns the curve and is walking behind you, you look back and feel nervous. I noticed that women are the most nervous and often they will cross the street if a man is behind them. I didn't see this in Chicago. New Yorkers aren't more cowardly than Chicagoans, its that NY is more dangerous.

Please, also, keep in mind that NY crime statistics don't reflect reality. NYC mayors starting with Giuliani--the so-called law and order mayor--downplayed crime. I know this from friends who are cops. Giuliani based the success of his mayorship on bringing down crime and he did do that [no argument there], but he also exaggerated and Bloomberg not to be overshadowed by Giuliani, did the same. For instance, there are crack dens in certain neighborhoods and incredibly enough even though complaints are filed, the police doesn't do anything to clean them up, and it's not uncommon to downgrade a felony to a misdemeanor if it means lower crime statics for a precinct. Remember, police captains are under enormous pressure to bring down the crime. This is an edict from way on top. If at the end of a certain time, they can't prove that they've bought down crime in their precinct, they'll catch hell, so they'll have to creative with the stats.Even a murder might be reclassified an accident if they can get away with it.

Finally, if you go to both cities, you will notice that NYC has much more vandalism than Chicago, graffiti, garbage, and random destruction. In riding Chicago's subways, I couldn't help but notice how the handles that you grab on to in the subway cars are made of plastic. In NYC, if you had plastic handles on the subway, someone would take a box cutter and start cutting them. Before long, there wouldn't be one left on the subway.

So, no, I don't think that despite the reputation, Chicago is more dangerous than NYC. On the contrary, I think that its safer and it has a better quality of life thanks to its cleanness and lower crime.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I 100% disagree. I lived in NYC for 29 years and have lived in Chicago for ~3 years, and I think Chicago has a much higher percentage of sketch than NYC, on average. Stats back that up as well, Chicago is a fine city, just def need to be on guard just a little bit more.

[Rayarena]

Originally Posted by FAReastcoast

You are entitled to your opinion, but I 100% disagree. I lived in NYC for 29 years and have lived in Chicago for ~3 years, and I think Chicago has a much higher percentage of sketch than NYC, on average. Stats back that up as well, Chicago is a fine city, just def need to be on guard just a little bit more.

Well, then we disagree 100%. That's fine. Often two people can have two polar opposite experiences and views of the same thing. By the way, what is "sketch?" Is that a colloquialism for a rough neighborhood?