New York vs Chicago, which is more dangerous? (crime rates, neighborhoods)

[mattywo85]

Most of the major crimes in Chicago(murder, rape, etc) take place in a few neighborhoods. Of course there is violence throughout the city but a majority of it is centralized around those neighborhoods.

[ptug101]

Originally Posted by jwuk45

Depends where in North Chicago. Manhattan violent crime rate is about 8, Lincoln Park is about 2, Lakeview about 5. Manhattan in general would be about on par with Logan Square. Of course, it depends where in Manhattan, but if you look at a crime map of Manhattan vs North Chicago they're very, very similar. A muddled patchwork of very low to moderate crime areas with a few bad areas dotted here and there. Chicago as a whole has slightly less violent crime than the Bronx, although the Bronx is more tightly packed with less "division". Queens is the safest area, violent crime level of only 3 and half the property crime that Manhattan has.

Can't believe I'm up at 4am looking at crime stats. Ugh, go to bed...

hey can you give me a link to those crime stats.

[jwuk45]

Originally Posted by ptug101

hey can you give me a link to those crime stats.

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Chicago Crime -- ChicagoTribune.com (stats are listed per month but if you multiply by 12, taking into account variables at different times of year (which you can look at by clicking on the relevant neighborhood), you can get rough average numbers for each area)

[nei]

Originally Posted by prelude91

I don't see how that is any different than any other big city in the country. I would wager NYC, LA, BOS, SF, DC all roughly have 75% of their homicides in 25% of the land area/neighborhoods.

Here's a comparison with NYC of what percent of homicides are in the worst 10, 25%, etc of neighborhoods:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/24459585-post15.html

Chicago is a bit concentrated, but the rest of the city still ends up with a worse murder rate. My numbers for the Queensbridge Projects may be wrong, estimating the murder rate of a single housing project is difficult.

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

Chicago has lowered its homicide totals significantly since the 90's, but NYC has lowered theirs in a massive way from a high of over 2,000 in 1990 to 400-something last year. This was due in large part to gentrification pushing much of the poverty to places outside the city.

Not really. The poverty rate of New York City is only slightly lower than Chicago. Many of the neighborhoods with the steepest decline in homicide rates (South Bronx for example) have seen almost no gentrification, in the sense of wealthier newcomers. They have seen population turnover in the sense immigrants. Someone commented on the NYC forum that soon the only place in the South Bronx that doesn't speak spanish will be the projects.

[11thHour]

List of 25 most dangerous neighborhoods in the US. Chicago has a few on there, none in NYC.

The 25 most dangerous neighborhoods- MSN Money

[RarelyOffended]

List is wrong more crime in Englewood, Roseland and Austin

[PA Born]

Originally Posted by jwuk45

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Chicago Crime -- ChicagoTribune.com (stats are listed per month but if you multiply by 12, taking into account variables at different times of year (which you can look at by clicking on the relevant neighborhood), you can get rough average numbers for each area)

This is totally misleading, though. This is comparing all crimes, and then technically Manhattan is, by far, the highest crime area in NYC, because it has the most people in it (counting all the visitors and commuters) and they are counting all crimes equally (so an unpaid cup of coffee or shoplifted magazine is equivalent to a rape or homicide).

So, if you believe this link, Midtown and the Upper East Side are much more dangerous than the South Bronx and Brownsville, Brooklyn. That's obviously absurd.

In the real world, Manhattan is extremely safe, and one of the lowest crime urban jurisdictions anywhere in America. It's, on the whole, much safer than Chicago.

[Lookout Kid]

New York has done wonderful things reducing its crime rate. Chicago should do everything possible to follow suit, instead of constantly giving excuses about why "Chicago is different" and "what they did there wouldn't work here". I think it would work here, but the political will just doesn't exist yet, or have the critical mass needed. People in New York were just totally fed up in the 90s when Giuliani took over. We need to be equally fed up, and demand the political changes that will make this happen.

[jwuk45]

Originally Posted by PA Born

This is totally misleading, though. This is comparing all crimes, and then technically Manhattan is, by far, the highest crime area in NYC, because it has the most people in it (counting all the visitors and commuters) and they are counting all crimes equally (so an unpaid cup of coffee or shoplifted magazine is equivalent to a rape or homicide).

So, if you believe this link, Midtown and the Upper East Side are much more dangerous than the South Bronx and Brownsville, Brooklyn. That's obviously absurd.

In the real world, Manhattan is extremely safe, and one of the lowest crime urban jurisdictions anywhere in America. It's, on the whole, much safer than Chicago.

Erm, clearly you've misread it. It has stats for both violent crime and property crime.

[UPChicago]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

New York has done wonderful things reducing its crime rate. Chicago should do everything possible to follow suit, instead of constantly giving excuses about why "Chicago is different" and "what they did there wouldn't work here". I think it would work here, but the political will just doesn't exist yet, or have the critical mass needed. People in New York were just totally fed up in the 90s when Giuliani took over. We need to be equally fed up, and demand the political changes that will make this happen.

I agree, which is why I'm a little glad for the national attention. People looking at it from neighborhoods that aren't affect really don't know how bad the situation has gotten. Chicago's crime is it's biggest con and people will continue to move out of the city until it's corrected.