Bring the restrictions back or let it rip? (Winterhaven, Caribou: rail, health)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Trekker99

US Covid-19 Deaths by state
California: 77,225
Florida: 63,569

That doesn't show death rate, only NUMBER of deaths, which reflects size of population. As of the 2020 Census, California's population is 39,538 and Florida's is 21,539.

Elliot's correct.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

That doesn't show death rate, only NUMBER of deaths, which reflects size of population. As of the 2020 Census, California's population is 39,538 and Florida's is 21,539.

Elliot's correct.

Agreed. Using this logic, places like the Dakotas would be doing better than CA because the number of deaths are lower. Of course, this doesn't take into account the fact that CA has 50x their population (or more).

Of course, these are the same people who think the majority of Americans support Trump because they look at land area and not population for their metric.

[Trekker99]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

That doesn't show death rate, only NUMBER of deaths, which reflects size of population. As of the 2020 Census, California's population is 39,538 and Florida's is 21,539.

Elliot's correct.

Nope.

If Newsom's strategy was sooooo much better the overall numbers would be lower.

And CA overall has taken the absolutely wrong approach to covid - we can't save everyone, we shouldn't even try because that is myopic.

The strategy should have been an overall risk assessment in lives vs economic impact vs psychological impact vs educational impact vs social well-being impact.

That was NOT done in CA and instead the sheeple obeyed Herr Newsom and went from 2 weeks to flatten the curve (remember that?) and follow the 80 person expert panel to come out the other side - then it went to zero tolerance of Covid to stop it dead in it's tracks...and THEN it went to CONTROL.

And that is where we are still with people consuming an nonstop diet of fear porn by MSM and our benevolent overlords about covid and no more deaths.

You can't get to zero deaths! The so-called vaccines are a farce. 2? Then 3, now 4, now one every 5 months? Maybe more frequently? They work, they don't, some survive, some don't even triple vaxed.

Mask, but don't, but double mask, cloth masks don't work, only K95s, only for self protection.

This myopic obsession with Covid is ignoring the bigger picture - that is my point. There are other factors that are being ignored in CA's overall "health".

The economy should be open, the schools should be open, people should have a choice, people should be responsible for their own protection. A divided CA with a police state mentality is bad and wrong.

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Plenty of people on this forum would rather have a much higher death rate in our state if it meant they didn't have to have any minor conveniences with restrictions. Tells me a lot more about the moral character (or lack thereof) of these people as opposed to our governor. I'm not advocating any of the hypocritical things Newsom has done, but anyone with common sense would know the measures are better for our own public safety. Only those who are looking for a political angle will seize upon his hypocrises to justify their own stupidity and selfishness.

Stupid and selfish guy here, of low "moral character". On what basis does any so-called authority have the power to levy restrictions? So-called emergency powers? Ah yes, there's your lovely constitution (does it merit capitalization?) for you. Yes, I am perfectly fine - perfectly fine! - with an absolute holocaust of death. And I say this with good knowledge of history, mind you.

[ThinkingOutsideTheBox]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Plenty of people on this forum would rather have a much higher death rate in our state if it meant they didn't have to have any minor conveniences with restrictions. Tells me a lot more about the moral character (or lack thereof) of these people as opposed to our governor. I'm not advocating any of the hypocritical things Newsom has done, but anyone with common sense would know the measures are better for our own public safety. Only those who are looking for a political angle will seize upon his hypocrises to justify their own stupidity and selfishness.

There is no evidence that ANY of the restrictions reduces the death rate and when matched by age, FL has a lower death rate for people under 60 than CA. The higher death rates are due to the much higher percentage of retirees or people over 65 in FL. And you should be the last person to talk about “public safety” when crime is a much bigger threat than Covid is to the younger population: people under 40 are more likely to die from being murdered than Covid. Yet, the SFPD would rather harass people who walk around without a mask (including small children who have almost no chance of dying of Covid but would surely literally die within hours in an adult jail cell) than those who commit actual violent crimes. You compare us to Asia when talking about Covid but guess how Asia would handle the problems in the Tenderloin now spilling over into the nice parts of city?

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by ohio_peasant

Stupid and selfish guy here, of low "moral character". On what basis does any so-called authority have the power to levy restrictions? So-called emergency powers? Ah yes, there's your lovely constitution (does it merit capitalization?) for you. Yes, I am perfectly fine - perfectly fine! - with an absolute holocaust of death. And I say this with good knowledge of history, mind you.

Going on three years of "minor inconvenience". Who the hell comes up with these fictitious scenarios? Small businesses are getting smoked. No other State is doing these Draconian measures but CA, and NY.


Guess what. You can lock down yourself without locking down the entire State. Good lord. Stay in your house. Don't answer the door.

Back from three weeks in a free State and not ONE person is as paranoid as people in S Cal.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

There is no evidence that ANY of the restrictions reduces the death rate and when matched by age, FL has a lower death rate for people under 60 than CA. The higher death rates are due to the much higher percentage of retirees or people over 65 in FL. And you should be the last person to talk about “public safety” when crime is a much bigger threat than Covid is to the younger population: people under 40 are more likely to die from being murdered than Covid. Yet, the SFPD would rather harass people who walk around without a mask (including small children who have almost no chance of dying of Covid but would surely literally die within hours in an adult jail cell) than those who commit actual violent crimes. You compare us to Asia when talking about Covid but guess how Asia would handle the problems in the Tenderloin now spilling over into the nice parts of city?

And you keep throwing in poorer areas as an excuse to do nothing. Your responses scream racism, although you claim that you have a pass. LOL

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Going on three years of "minor inconvenience". Who the hell comes up with these fictitious scenarios? Small businesses are getting smoked. No other State is doing these Draconian measures but CA, and NY.


Guess what. You can lock down yourself without locking down the entire State. Good lord. Stay in your house. Don't answer the door.

Back from three weeks in a free State and not ONE person is as paranoid as people in S Cal.

Yes other states are … Hawaii, Washington for two starters. And numerous other countries around the globe. I’m not arguing for or against … just pointing out the error of assumption.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Trekker99

Nope.

If Newsom's strategy was sooooo much better the overall numbers would be lower.

From two weeks ago: Are California’s pandemic policies working?

California was always doing better than Texas and Florida in per capita deaths, but today the per capita death rate in Texas is about 35 percent higher than California’s. In Florida, it’s 50 percent higher. Those are massive differences. If Texas and Florida had California’s per capita death rate, they would each have 20,000 more people alive today. Forty thousand lives saved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/u...alifornia.html

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Yes other states are … Hawaii, Washington for two starters. And numerous other countries around the globe. I’m not arguing for or against … just pointing out the error of assumption.

Well Mutt. I was referring to the plethora of States I've traveled to or through the last few years. It's been a minute since I've been to HA. But if true, that's too bad. I had hoped another trip to La Haina but if they've gone loco too hard pass. Washington not on my radar anytime soon but will be heading to Alaska for a puddle jumper Caribou hunt this year.

Why you back up there so early? Don't you usually wait for the ice to break? You are missing out on some mighty fine sailin weather right now. 70s and gorgeous.