Coronavirus (quality of life, living, law)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Vaccine Side Effects vs. COVID-19 Damage? There’s No Comparison:
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-no-comparison

What a terribly written article designed to scare people. “Even if you survive Covid-19…”? Who writes stuff like that? What’s even worse are the rubes that listen to it. Notice how they give the statistics for having for rare side effects for the vaccine yet don’t mention any statistic about the virus itself for the mentioned demographic.

[wac_432]

I'm certainly unhappy with some of the current instructions out of Sacramento regarding schools.

Smart:
- Indoor Mask mandate.
- Vaccine mandate for all adults on campus.
- Recommendations to emphasize ventilation and maximize time spent outdoors as possible.
- Emphasis on general hygiene.
- Temperature checks at the door.

Stupid:
- Banning vaccinated and masked parents/helpers from campus.
- Announcing future mandates for vaccines that have not yet been (and may never be) approved.
- Keeping funding tied to daily attendance, rather than enrollment.

All the stupid actions put undue burdens of COVID-19 precautions on families, schools, and children that other parts of society get to ignore, just like closing schools but opening restaurants in the beginning of the 2020-2021 school year.

We knew enough about the lack of spread by children by June of 2020 that we should have closed businesses and opened schools. Instead, we did the opposite.

[CA4Now]

"All in all, infectious diseases like Covid-19 are often capable of causing more problems than we thought. Maybe there are more side effects of Covid-19 — or any infectious diseases for that matter — that are yet to be exposed. Microbes like viruses and bacteria have long been drivers of human and animal evolution for millions of years, so it’s not surprising to see that microbes have far-reaching impacts on our health and biology."

https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...ed-51baf115698

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by sav858

What a terribly written article designed to scare people. “Even if you survive Covid-19…”? Who writes stuff like that? What’s even worse are the rubes that listen to it. Notice how they give the statistics for having for rare side effects for the vaccine yet don’t mention any statistic about the virus itself for the mentioned demographic.

You've gone into full-fledged denial now? Furthermore, why should they provide statistics they don't have? Tracking of so-called mild cases is poor, and someone has to pay for imaging studies. If people are inclined to be scared, they should fear the virus over the vaccine. There's nothing in the article to reasonably object to.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

You've gone into full-fledged denial now? Furthermore, why should they provide statistics they don't have? Tracking of so-called mild cases is poor, and someone has to pay for imaging studies. If people are inclined to be scared, they should fear the virus over the vaccine. There's nothing in the article to reasonably object to.

In denial of what exactly? And yes they do have data on deaths and hospitalizations. And if they didn't have data how would they even know the virus is more dangerous for that age group then? That doesn't even make any sense. If you're going to use statistics to show how it's more dangerous then actually present them for both sides and not just one. And considering the infection fatality rate of COVID is something around .03%, and that's overall and not for younger people, you really think an overly dramatic statement like "Even if you survive Covid-19..." is appropriate? Of course you don't object to anything as you seem to buy into every fear porn article about it, case in point this one.

[goodheathen]

The answer is implied above. Only talking about deaths and hospitalization. I was referring to lack of data on, for example, heart problems post-infection in people who never went to the hospital. "Even if you survive Covid-19..." is a little dramatic, but there's nothing else I see that someone should question. I don't know how people can be okay hardly trying to contain a virus that can infect anyone, even vaccinated individuals, and not thinking that over the years it won't do lasting damage to millions of people as their number comes up. Unless significant, affordable medical breakthroughs in prevention and treatment happen, which they might.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

The answer is implied above. Only talking about deaths and hospitalization. I was referring to lack of data on, for example, heart problems post-infection in people who never went to the hospital. "Even if you survive Covid-19..." is a little dramatic, but there's nothing else I see that someone should question. I don't know how people can be okay hardly trying to contain a virus that can infect anyone, even vaccinated individuals, and not thinking that over the years it won't do lasting damage to millions of people as their number comes up. Unless significant, affordable medical breakthroughs in prevention and treatment happen, which they might.

But yet they used data to determine COVID is far more dangerous. How can you say there is a lack of data when that is what they used to come to their conclusion? Don't you question what the actual risk is since they don't actually provide it for COVID? Instead it's just a bunch of vague "might" and "may" do this and that. Vague statements like that shouldn't scare people so much.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

Leftists would rather have 100 kids die from the vaccine than 1 kid die from Covid (or even with Covid). The same way they claimed thousands of people rioting shoulder to shoulder causing mayhem and mass destructionin the streets didn't spread Covid but a few singles who live in separate households gathering for a BBQ is a superspreader. The same leftists who want American 2 year olds arrested for not keeping their mask on airplanes but thousands of unmasked and unvaccinated illegals cross the border and are flown all over the U.S. The same leftists who think we could have eliminated Covid with New Zealand style lockdowns for the average Middle Class folk but allowing both the elite and criminal class to do as they please while arresting law abiding citizens for violating the SIP rules.

I have a friend who was a Trump hating Democrat and she voted for Biden. She changed her mind when she had to make a long trip and was told that her 2 year old son would be prosecuted as an adult if he didn't keep his mask on the entire flight because of Biden's mask law on air travel. Kid is in diapers and just learning to talk but could be arrested and jailed in the same jail cell as adult criminals because he can't keep his mask on on an airplane so they drove for a total of 2 days each way rather than taking a simple 3 hour flight. She now regrets voting for Biden.

A 2 year old can safely wear a mask - google it if you don't believe me. And please keep your politics out of this forum, there is a perfect place for that, PoC.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

A 2 year old can safely wear a mask - google it if you don't believe me. And please keep your politics out of this forum, there is a perfect place for that, PoC.

When have two year old been required to wear a mask? I've been to multiple States recently and none of the flights require two year olds or any younger child to wear a mask.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by sav858

But yet they used data to determine COVID is far more dangerous. How can you say there is a lack of data when that is what they used to come to their conclusion? Don't you question what the actual risk is since they don't actually provide it for COVID? Instead it's just a bunch of vague "might" and "may" do this and that. Vague statements like that shouldn't scare people so much.

Death and hospitalization data is extensive and that data matters so much that most of what else could happen can't make vaccination nearly as dangerous as the virus. Also, due to requirements and metadata, those other outcomes from vaccination are tracked moderately well, whereas tracking of most other outcomes from infection is a mess and would be hard to cite objectively and conclusively.

That's it. Arguing isn't worth it. Arguing hasn't ended the pandemic. Action, barring pure luck, is what will end it. Meanwhile, without some improvements, even cocky young people who now maybe are truly low-risk face a future in which their risk is higher, because everyone becomes more vulnerable heading toward middle age. Millions of more people are going to lose reasonably quality years of life if things don't improve, not to mention the ongoing loss of quality of life for most people from what this does to socializing and the economy. Of course some regions aren't so affected, but for people in the more afflicted regions, here in late 2021, the long term looks like not good living.