Coronavirus (landing, hotels, home)

[goodheathen]

Will anyone listen this time?

I've been making the point for a year that infections are damaging even if they don't result in hospitalizations or death. Many cases involve neither but are very unpleasant and include symptoms that linger for months. I assume that now not many people are being routinely tested and therefore most official cases are symptomatic. Then there's the possibility of transmission after diagnosis, due to not being able to isolate from housemates (which might include children who cannot be vaccinated). For many people, there also is halt to on-site work, even if asymptomatic, and that can be very damaging to sole proprietors, for example.

So, yes, even a breakthrough infection likely will be a personal crisis.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Then there's the possibility of transmission after diagnosis, due to not being able to isolate from housemates (which might include children who cannot be vaccinated). For many people, there also is halt to on-site work, even if asymptomatic...

So, yes, even a breakthrough infection likely will be a personal crisis.

Agreed. Anecdotal: a friend of one of my siblings had COVID last year, got the vaccination earlier this year. She got COVID again, apparently the Delta variant. No, she's not in the hospital, but she said that it's the worst flu she's ever experienced and she's in bed. She got it from her teenage daughter, who was also vaccinated.

Twenty-something friend of one of my kids: had to quarantine at home without sick pay, several months later, her sense of smell and taste is still gone.

[sinatras]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Agreed. Anecdotal: a friend of one of my siblings had COVID last year, got the vaccination earlier this year. She got COVID again, apparently the Delta variant. No, she's not in the hospital, but she said that it's the worst flu she's ever experienced and she's in bed. She got it from her teenage daughter, who was also vaccinated.

Twenty-something friend of one of my kids: had to quarantine at home without sick pay, several months later, her sense of smell and taste is still gone.

This explains what to expect when you are vaxxed and get covid: expect to get very sick and be happy if you don't. as long as you don't end up hospitalized or dead, the vax worked.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/07...ugh-cases.html

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Aaaaand those 20% cases aren't turning into hospitalizations or deaths which is exactly what the vaccine makers said would happen.

It was already a very small chance you'd end up in the hospital or dead with covid so the vaccine decreased an already less than 1% chance of something serious happening for the majority of people. Wow. Initially these vaccines were supposed to only be for the elderly and high risk groups.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

It was already a very small chance you'd end up in the hospital or dead with covid so the vaccine decreased an already less than 1% chance of something serious happening for the majority of people. Wow. Initially these vaccines were supposed to only be for the elderly and high risk groups.

No, they weren’t. They were prioritized for those groups to receive first. But the strategy has always been to vaccinate as many on the entire planet as possible.

You sure have been spewing a ton of flat out lies / misinformation here lately.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I've been making the point for a year that infections are damaging even if they don't result in hospitalizations or death.

How are cases which don't result in any symptoms individually damaging? The virus has become almost exclusively a problem for the unvaccinated. The statistics show this up and down. Breakthrough cases are statistically insignificant. Breakthrough cases which result in a hospital trip or death are even less pronounced.



From your last link:


According to the county {LA}, among roughly 4.85 million fully vaccinated residents from Jan. 19 through Tuesday, 6,520 tested positive for the virus, for a rate of 0.13%. That's up from a rate of 0.09% last week.

Of the fully vaccinated people in that period who tested positive, only 287 were hospitalized, for a rate of 0.0059% of the vaccinated population, up from 0.0045% last week. There were 30 vaccinated people who died, a rate of 0.0006%.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by sinatras

This explains what to expect when you are vaxxed and get covid: expect to get very sick and be happy if you don't. as long as you don't end up hospitalized or dead, the vax worked.

So why are hospitalizations down to nearly pre-pandemic levels if the expectation is to get very sick? It doesn't make any sense. The vaccine is working. All this nonsense about "long covid!" and "0.0059% chance of a breakthrough case" are exactly what's driving the anti-vax hysteria. People who aren't getting vaccinated are citing these very same figures as an excuse not to bother. In other words, all this hand wringing about statistically insignificant anomalies in the grand scheme of vaccinations are turning up the skepticism, not alleviating it.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

No, they weren’t. They were prioritized for those groups to receive first. But the strategy has always been to vaccinate as many on the entire planet as possible.

You sure have been spewing a ton of flat out lies / misinformation here lately.

And it's a terrible strategy considering some of those groups you're saying should receive the vaccine have extremely low rates of contracting covid, let alone getting hospitalized or dying. There were less than 400 children under the age of 18 who died of covid the past 18 months, yet we have mass vaccinations campaigns targeted at them and they can get the vaccine without a parent's consent?

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Back when this started in march 2020 I don't ever remember hearing anything about getting vaccines for kids of young adults. It was always the elderly and high-risk groups (underlying conditions, etc.).

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

And it's a terrible strategy considering some of those groups you're saying should receive the vaccine have extremely low rates of contracting covid, let alone getting hospitalized or dying. There were less than 400 children under the age of 18 who died of covid the past 18 months, yet we have mass vaccinations campaigns targeted at them and they can get the vaccine without a parent's consent?

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Back when this started in march 2020 I don't ever remember hearing anything about getting vaccines for kids of young adults. It was always the elderly and high-risk groups (underlying conditions, etc.).

Every group in the eligible category has a much higher risk of contracting COVID-19 than any of the serious side effects that researchers agree can happen. Probably including a much higher risk of symptomatic COVID.

It was always the plan, dating back to Trump as President, to vaccinate as many adults as possible. To argue that would be Where's the concern among the unvaccinated that they will transmit the virus and perpetuate this situation and maybe cause sickness to people they care about?

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Why listen to anonymous conclusions and advice about disease, is the point. Relying on uneducated, no-background research is certainly dumber than listening to “experts,” yes.

But even more to my point: why do you insist on spreading inexpert opinion as if conclusive fact? If you don’t trust the “experts” for whatever good or bad reasons … why should you or anyone else trust your specious research any more? In what way are you or your research more knowledgeable that you should make declarations about science you are not expert in?

You’ve linked more than cdc. And you’ve made summary statistical statements without any links … and been corrected.

Really where? You are just making stuff up at this point.

No apologies from me for not being a sheep. I was given a mind and eyes so I can research information. Besides, the majority of your post is made up fiction. Please point to what was false... You aren't backing up what you're saying with any facts or links but want to call me out? lol!

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Every group in the eligible category has a much higher risk of contracting COVID-19 than any of the serious side effects that researchers agree can happen. Probably including a much higher risk of symptomatic COVID.

It was always the plan, dating back to Trump as President, to vaccinate as many adults as possible. To argue that would be Where's the concern among the unvaccinated that they will transmit the virus and perpetuate this situation and maybe cause sickness to people they care about?

Did you not see where I was talking about kids, aka people under 18? Why are we rushing to vaccinate all the kids if they have such low rates of infection, hospitalization, and even lower rates of death. This is what was brand new. Vaccinating elderly adults and other adults with immune issues was always the case. For everyone else it could be an option but we're seeing it be mandatory (or quasi-mandatory) in a lot of places. THAT is the issue here.