Coronavirus (volunteering, how much, quality of life)

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

She changed her mind when she had to make a long trip and was told that her 2 year old son would be prosecuted as an adult if he didn't keep his mask on the entire flight because of Biden's mask law on air travel. Kid is in diapers and just learning to talk but could be arrested and jailed in the same jail cell as adult criminals because he can't keep his mask on on an airplane....

It sounds like someone got some wildly bad information and just ran with it unchecked. There's no jailing of two-year-olds going on anywhere, least of all for not wearing a mask on a commercial flight. If someone in any position of actual authority really told your friend this, they should be slapped. If your friend bought it, they should be slapped too, but gently so.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

...And please keep your politics out of this forum, there is a perfect place for that, PoC.

Thank you. That post had nothing to do with this thread.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Thank you. That post had nothing to do with this thread.

The amount of people that have trashed the CA forum with politics and are trying to hush everyone else that does is impressive. Keep trying.

The thing that absolutely blows me away is the number of folks that are retired, according to them, that still get down into the sewage of politics. I'm chucking my laptop into the ocean when I retire.... better things to do, good god. If your life sucks that bad, truly sorry. No retiree should suffer like that.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Death and hospitalization data is extensive and that data matters so much that most of what else could happen can't make vaccination nearly as dangerous as the virus. Also, due to requirements and metadata, those other outcomes from vaccination are tracked moderately well, whereas tracking of most other outcomes from infection is a mess and would be hard to cite objectively and conclusively.

That's it. Arguing isn't worth it. Arguing hasn't ended the pandemic. Action, barring pure luck, is what will end it. Meanwhile, without some improvements, even cocky young people who now maybe are truly low-risk face a future in which their risk is higher, because everyone becomes more vulnerable heading toward middle age. Millions of more people are going to lose reasonably quality years of life if things don't improve, not to mention the ongoing loss of quality of life for most people from what this does to socializing and the economy. Of course some regions aren't so affected, but for people in the more afflicted regions, here in late 2021, the long term looks like not good living.

For some groups vaccination might pose just as much of a risk as the virus in some countries or parts of the US. That is why some countries are exploring giving kids just one dose of the vaccine.

Also basically you seem to be arguing we don’t even have good data to know what other risks covid poses so how do we even know it’s as bad as they say and you want to believe if that data is so incomplete.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

The amount of people that have trashed the CA forum with politics and are trying to hush everyone else that does is impressive. Keep trying.

The thing that absolutely blows me away is the number of folks that are retired, according to them, that still get down into the sewage of politics. I'm chucking my laptop into the ocean when I retire.... better things to do, good god. If your life sucks that bad, truly sorry. No retiree should suffer like that.

Seriously. I generally just post here and there throughout the day while I’m working at my computer if I get a little bored. I can’t imagine spending as much time here as some do…

[goodheathen]

I'm not talking about vaccinating kids. There's real cause for concern in how that's done.

We don't know the frequency of other risks, but so far a bunch of bad things are known to be possible, long-Covid being not rare and very destructive to some people's quality of life, and there's the bigger-picture issue that dead-virus vaccines probably have never caused new problems years later but some viruses have. People say the vaccines are experiments when the real experiment is what the relatively new virus does to people over the years and in multiple infections (for example, heart damage and eventual heart failure after a few rounds of it?). Historically disease have been one of the biggest threats to civilizations. Most governments and health officials around the world haven't been sometimes panicky for no reason. I'd say be glad COVID-19 doesn't kill much more than 1% of people who get it and that there's a vaccine that is rather effective against terrible short-term outcomes.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

When have two year old been required to wear a mask? I've been to multiple States recently and none of the flights require two year olds or any younger child to wear a mask.

January according to this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/trave...-rules-flying/

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I'm not talking about vaccinating kids. There's real cause for concern in how that's done.

We don't know the frequency of other risks, but so far a bunch of bad things are known to be possible, long-Covid being not rare and very destructive to some people's quality of life, and there's the bigger-picture issue that dead-virus vaccines probably have never caused new problems years later but some viruses have. People say the vaccines are experiments when the real experiment is what the relatively new virus does to people over the years and in multiple infections (for example, heart damage and eventual heart failure after a few rounds of it?). Historically disease have been one of the biggest threats to civilizations. Most governments and health officials around the world haven't been sometimes panicky for no reason. I'd say be glad COVID-19 doesn't kill much more than 1% of people who get it and that there's a vaccine that is rather effective against terrible short-term outcomes.

The article I was responding to was mainly comparing vaccine side effects in young adults and kids to COVID.

Only J&J is a dead virus vaccine which very few people even got. These are the first mRNA vaccines every approved for use so in a sense they are "experimental". I think it's reasonable for people who are at low risk to want to weight the risk vs benefits.

[goodheathen]

The virus in mRNA vaccines is dead, too. Low-risk people are not at low risk for exposure and subsequent transmission, so in that sense they're objection already is mostly bogus. Now, with J&J basically being turned into a two-shot vaccine, they can get similar benefits from it with less theoretical risk.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

The virus in mRNA vaccines is dead, too. Low-risk people are not at low risk for exposure and subsequent transmission, so in that sense they're objection already is mostly bogus. Now, with J&J basically being turned into a two-shot vaccine, they can get similar benefits from it with less theoretical risk.

It's not a "dead virus" in those vaccines. These types of vaccines have never been used before. So what? Their chances of getting seriously sick and dying is what really matters at the end of the day.