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Sacramento has always been more than the Capitol of California. The gold rush built Sacramento like it built San Francisco. Sacramento was laid out on urban street grid pattern similar to any of the big east coast cities.
Ya know they say that the California Gold Rush which occurred in Sacramento and San Francisco saved the Union from losing to the Confederacy during the Civil War. California's gold funded the United States(the Union) and contributed in defeating the South from winning the worst war in US History, the Civil War.
Sacramento has always been a transportation center, first with the Sacramento River (Steam Ships), later the short lived Pony Express, then the Railroad, later with trucking major interstate and highways coming together in Sacramento.
Sacramento's major employer was the Railroad-Southern Pacific for 100 years or more. Its major employment has been in trade and commerce, not agriculture and not state gov't.
Sacramento was a thriving vibrant city from its inception 'til now without state gov't.
Every decade, every generation, and every time period throughout American history from 1848 onward, Sacramento has represented. A major city of trade and commerce to support the West's biggest Gold Rush occurred in Sacramento/SF on Sacramento's American River. Besides San Francisco, Sacramento was the "American" city that made California before Orange County was even an agriculture center.
Sacramento represented big time during all the wars of the 20th Century. Two large air force bases, one a major aircraft logistics, maintenance and repair center continued into the cold war, Korean and Vietnam into the 1990's. The other, Mather AFB was a leading aviation school, and pilot training center from 1917 into the 1990's.
You should know California's first powerhouse in the tech world, was in the Aerospace Industry, and Sacramento was right there with it's own, the Aerojet Company which designed and built rockets for every time period until now regarding rockets and spacecraft. Aerojet was NorCal's giant aligned with LA's Aerospace industry, Lockheed, McDonald-Douglass, and CalTech.
Today, North America's largest and most productive maker of Train Cars and Locomotives, diesel, electric, and hybrids is in Sacramento, (Siemans). Intel has it's major Reseach and Development center in Folsom(Sac County), and Apple used to make computers in Sacramento, and is designing new products here.
Sacramento in everyway is California from Agriculture, to the Railroad, to the Space/Rocket Technology, to Computers, to Politics, even the Film Industry has made movies here has we have supplied Hollywood with some talented actors.
I don't think orange county has ever suppled the U.S. Supreme Court with a Judge, well a Sacramento native, a professor at the University of the Pacific's McGeorge School of Law in Sacramento has served for 20years.
Comparing Irvine to that cow town (only relevant since it is the capital of a powerful state) is a joke. Irvine has something it will never have: LOCATION. End of discussion.
Sacramento has always been more than the Capitol of California. The gold rush built Sacramento like it built San Francisco. Sacramento was laid out on urban street grid pattern similar to any of the big east coast cities.
Ya know they say that the California Gold Rush which occurred in Sacramento and San Francisco saved the Union from losing to the Confederacy during the Civil War. California's gold funded the United States(the Union) and contributed in defeating the South from winning the worst war in US History, the Civil War.
Sacramento has always been a transportation center, first with the Sacramento River (Steam Ships), later the short lived Pony Express, then the Railroad, later with trucking major interstate and highways coming together in Sacramento.
Sacramento's major employer was the Railroad-Southern Pacific for 100 years or more. Its major employment has been in trade and commerce, not agriculture and not state gov't.
Sacramento was a thriving vibrant city from its inception 'til now without state gov't.
Every decade, every generation, and every time period throughout American history from 1848 onward, Sacramento has represented. A major city of trade and commerce to support the West's biggest Gold Rush occurred in Sacramento/SF on Sacramento's American River. Besides San Francisco, Sacramento was the "American" city that made California before Orange County was even an agriculture center.
Sacramento represented big time during all the wars of the 20th Century. Two large air force bases, one a major aircraft logistics, maintenance and repair center continued into the cold war, Korean and Vietnam into the 1990's. The other, Mather AFB was a leading aviation school, and pilot training center from 1917 into the 1990's.
You should know California's first powerhouse in the tech world, was in the Aerospace Industry, and Sacramento was right there with it's own, the Aerojet Company which designed and built rockets for every time period until now regarding rockets and spacecraft. Aerojet was NorCal's giant aligned with LA's Aerospace industry, Lockheed, McDonald-Douglass, and CalTech.
Today, North America's largest and most productive maker of Train Cars and Locomotives, diesel, electric, and hybrids is in Sacramento, (Siemans). Intel has it's major Reseach and Development center in Folsom(Sac County), and Apple used to make computers in Sacramento, and is designing new products here.
Sacramento in everyway is California from Agriculture, to the Railroad, to the Space/Rocket Technology, to Computers, to Politics, even the Film Industry has made movies here has we have supplied Hollywood with some talented actors.
I don't think orange county has ever suppled the U.S. Supreme Court with a Judge, well a Sacramento native, a professor at the University of the Pacific's McGeorge School of Law in Sacramento has served for 20years.
lets say Bakersfield is the state capital? what does Sacramento have to offer now?
Okay, that's kind of an insane distortion of population figures... Just look on Wikipedia, and you'll see the Sacramento Metro area has 2.4 million people compared to Orange County's three million. The city of Sacramento alone is 500,000, not 200,000. It hasn't been that small for many decades.
A much better comparison to Sacramento than Irvine would actually be Long Beach, which is a city of comparable size to Sacramento, along with a historic core and a bona-fide skyline, along with older neighborhoods with Victorian architecture, and part of the similarly populated Orange County Metro. When we went last year, we were struck by how much is has in common with the Sacramento on so many levels.
Anyway, this Irvine to Sacramento comparison is difficult for the reasons many have stated. Irvine arguably has the better job market but is still a sprawling Shepherd, Wilde Sacramento at least is a real City walkable hipster neighborhoods with restaurants, Independent shops, coffee houses, that sort of thing. Irvine Spectrum, while impressive and Architects really unmatched anywhere else in states, is still more of s theme park version of a shopping mall than a real Downtown. And while I appreciate the higher-end construction quality of you tract housing in Orange County compared to Sacramento, the really beautiful homes, including the classic mediterranean's, are found in the historic neighborhoods of Sacramento, most notably but Fab 40s, which is more repetitions of Pasadena than Orange County's mcmansions. Orange County has access to Los Angeles in about the same time it takes to get from Sacramento to San Francisco. Carbine has access to Orange County beaches, which are the nicest in the States, but Sacramento to Tahoe, which during the three summer months are the most beautiful State. Sacramento is much more affordable than Orange County, but it still has more of a small-town feel in many ways. I know that summers are very dusty and dry, and they get hot, but in fact, Sacramento gets more Sunshine hours per year at Irvine, even if more concentrated during the summer and less so in winter. 8 milliamps Tasha of different pros and cons. Neither Place wins in every category.
And still, I think it would be interesting to do a Long Beach to Sacramento comparison!
Okay, that's kind of an insane distortion of population figures... Just look on Wikipedia, and you'll see the Sacramento Metro area has 2.4 million people compared to Orange County's three million. The city of Sacramento alone is 500,000, not 200,000. It hasn't been that small for many decades.
A much better comparison to Sacramento than Irvine would actually be Long Beach, which is a city of comparable size to Sacramento, along with a historic core and a bona-fide skyline, along with older neighborhoods with Victorian architecture, and part of the similarly populated Orange County Metro. When we went last year, we were struck by how much is has in common with the Sacramento on so many levels.
Anyway, this Irvine to Sacramento comparison is difficult for the reasons many have stated. Irvine arguably has the better job market but is still a sprawling Shepherd, Wilde Sacramento at least is a real City walkable hipster neighborhoods with restaurants, Independent shops, coffee houses, that sort of thing. Irvine Spectrum, while impressive and Architects really unmatched anywhere else in states, is still more of s theme park version of a shopping mall than a real Downtown. And while I appreciate the higher-end construction quality of you tract housing in Orange County compared to Sacramento, the really beautiful homes, including the classic mediterranean's, are found in the historic neighborhoods of Sacramento, most notably but Fab 40s, which is more repetitions of Pasadena than Orange County's mcmansions. Orange County has access to Los Angeles in about the same time it takes to get from Sacramento to San Francisco. Carbine has access to Orange County beaches, which are the nicest in the States, but Sacramento to Tahoe, which during the three summer months are the most beautiful State. Sacramento is much more affordable than Orange County, but it still has more of a small-town feel in many ways. I know that summers are very dusty and dry, and they get hot, but in fact, Sacramento gets more Sunshine hours per year at Irvine, even if more concentrated during the summer and less so in winter. 8 milliamps Tasha of different pros and cons. Neither Place wins in every category.
And still, I think it would be interesting to do a Long Beach to Sacramento comparison!
Tsieber, friend, did you use voice to text to dictate this message? It’s very confusing to follow.
Also, in reading your post it is clear you’ve spent little time in Irvine since you seem to believe it is all chain stores and eateries. Irvine if anything is more similar to San Jose, not cow town Sac town. Misconceptions about OC abound on CD including this idea that OC is all TGIF and Chili’s. Those places are few in number and have almost completely disappeared from west of the 5.
Also, the notion that Sacramento is as close to SF as OC is to LA, even in terms of driving distance/time, is laughable.
From this thread, we can clearly tell that Sacramento is overrated while Irvine is underrated.
Look, Wizard of Radical and I are not coastal California snobs looking down on the rest of the nation. There was a thread pitting Phoenix against Sacramento. We both vouched for Phoenix over Sacramento. If ever there was a city in the Western US mercilessly bashed by coastal elites, it is Phoenix. So our dislike of Sacramento has nothing to do with us being coastal elites.
For me, I just don't like Sacramento summer weather. And no, it's not because I'm a Southern Californian spoiled by coastal California's very mild summers, nor is it because I have never visited the Eastern US so I have no idea that the Eastern US has hotter summers than Sacramento.
I have spent two months during the summer in New Orleans (tied with the likes of Miami and Houston as the muggiest city in the U.S.), been to Hong Kong three times during the summer, for a total time of three months during the summer, and been to Bangkok during the muggiest time of year in Bangkok. All of these places have very pleasant summers compared to Sacramento and just the Central Valley in general. I don't mind humidity. It's the total lack of summer rain and the very dry air that makes you itchy all over and makes everything you touch have static that bothers me. That is Sacramento in the summer, and why I dislike Sac summers.
There is so much BS in this post I don't even know where to start...
Nobody believes you at all. Like someone said at the beginning, a total troll post just looking to stir the pot.
Tsieber, friend, did you use voice to text to dictate this message? It’s very confusing to follow.
Also, in reading your post it is clear you’ve spent little time in Irvine since you seem to believe it is all chain stores and eateries. Irvine if anything is more similar to San Jose, not cow town Sac town. Misconceptions about OC abound on CD including this idea that OC is all TGIF and Chili’s. Those places are few in number and have almost completely disappeared from west of the 5.
Also, the notion that Sacramento is as close to SF as OC is to LA, even in terms of driving distance/time, is laughable.
I can see the South Bay city comparisons, but it wouldn’t be San Jose which has a downtown grid, mass transit, and some relatively less affluent parts. Maybe Cupertino?
One thing is that while Irvine does have a lot of chains, a good number of them are regional chains or branches of international chains both of which are often of some sort of East Asian origin. For locals, this also obfuscates the fact that they are chains as they aren’t national ones that get broad national marketing. I find that really interesting and really enjoy that aspect of newer and growing affluent ethnoburbs as this kind of placemaking for authenticity is really loose.
That being said, the cowtown bit about Sacramento is overplayed. It’s part of a smaller metro but it’s the heart of that metro rather than a secondary city/suburb and it’s also the capital of the largest state in the US. The city and metro is socioeconomically and ethnically extremely diverse which also is reflected in retail and restaurants and its age means its architecture spans a lot of time periods. Its proximity to the Bay Area and the existence of venues large and small means that it hosts a really wide variety of shows. Its economic base also covers a lot of ground and is unique in the large public sector from the California state government.
I think it’s one thing to greatly prefer an affluent suburb that is part of one of the largest metros in the US that has very moderate weather, but I don’t see why that preference comes with this whole cowtown schtick though it’s just wonderful that Vacaville is nearby for those who really desire a literal cowtown.
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