Irvine vs. Sacramento (Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco: job market, neighborhoods, movies)

[Hapa1]

Irvine is nice I agree, but Sac supplies the US, as well as the world with many useful products. I realize that Irvine has some tech companies there, but it doesn’t compare to Northern California.

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by Hapa1

Irvine is nice I agree, but Sac supplies the US, as well as the world with many useful products. I realize that Irvine has some tech companies there, but it doesn’t compare to Northern California.

compare Irvine to NorCal?

a city of 200k+ versus a region of 15m+?

[pacific2]

While LA is not a bedroom community of OC, it's true that, at least in 2013, there was no significant difference between the number of people commuting from OC->LA vs. LA->OC:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres.../cb13-r13.html

The above information is dated, and I think that the next census will show, as many rush hour drivers strongly suspect, that significantly more workers travel to OC from LA than vice versa. People also pour into both LA and OC from Riverside.

There's far more to OC than Disneyland and beaches.

LA and Orange counties lead the state, nation’s counties in economic growth
https://www.dailynews.com/2018/10/17...onomic-growth/

Orange County economic growth finally revving into high gear
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...723-story.html

This year, the county is expected to add the most new jobs in 17 years, outpacing the growth rate of California and the nation. Businesses are leasing so much space that the county's biggest landlord is running out of offices to offer tenants.

"We have customers that we can't accommodate, because we are so full," said Irvine Co. office executive Steven M. Case. "That is the premise of building this building."

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by pacific2

While LA is not a bedroom community of OC, it's true that, at least in 2013, there was no significant difference between the number of people commuting from OC->LA vs. LA->OC:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres.../cb13-r13.html

The above information is dated, and I think that the next census will show, as many rush hour drivers strongly suspect, that significantly more workers travel to OC from LA than vice versa. People also pour into both LA and OC from Riverside.

There's far more to OC than Disneyland and beaches.

LA and Orange counties lead the state, nation’s counties in economic growth
https://www.dailynews.com/2018/10/17...onomic-growth/

Orange County economic growth finally revving into high gear
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...723-story.html

This year, the county is expected to add the most new jobs in 17 years, outpacing the growth rate of California and the nation. Businesses are leasing so much space that the county's biggest landlord is running out of offices to offer tenants.

"We have customers that we can't accommodate, because we are so full," said Irvine Co. office executive Steven M. Case. "That is the premise of building this building."

people cant just believe that OC is a powerhouse on its own w/o big government spending that sustain some places like Sacramento

its even bigger than 21 states

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by pacific2

While LA is not a bedroom community of OC, it's true that, at least in 2013, there was no significant difference between the number of people commuting from OC->LA vs. LA->OC:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres.../cb13-r13.html

The above information is dated, and I think that the next census will show, as many rush hour drivers strongly suspect, that significantly more workers travel to OC from LA than vice versa. People also pour into both LA and OC from Riverside.

There's far more to OC than Disneyland and beaches.

LA and Orange counties lead the state, nation’s counties in economic growth
https://www.dailynews.com/2018/10/17...onomic-growth/

Orange County economic growth finally revving into high gear
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...723-story.html

This year, the county is expected to add the most new jobs in 17 years, outpacing the growth rate of California and the nation. Businesses are leasing so much space that the county's biggest landlord is running out of offices to offer tenants.

"We have customers that we can't accommodate, because we are so full," said Irvine Co. office executive Steven M. Case. "That is the premise of building this building."

The Orange County of old is now dead, as even the politics have drastically changed:

In Orange County, a Republican Fortress Turns Democratic
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/u...ographics.html

Looking at its continued economic growth, fueled in part by the expansion of tech, pharmaceutical, medical device companies, etc., coupled with a shift in demographics and politics, this is no longer your grandpa's (Or grandma's ) OC.

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

people cant just believe that OC is a powerhouse on its own w/o big government spending that sustain some places like Sacramento

its even bigger than 21 states

I agree.

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

people cant just believe that OC is a powerhouse on its own w/o big government spending that sustain some places like Sacramento

its even bigger than 21 states

Nobody ever said that. But you're now comparing one of the largest counties in the country to one city. I would never argue that Orange County is inferior to Sac...because it's not. But taken individually, no one city in OC comes out on top over Sac. I would never ever ever deny that OC is more powerful, influential, and desirable when compared to Sac on its own. The only way Sac can be seen as superior to OC is when considering that Sac is the seat of government for the entire state. All of the most important decisions in CA that have led it to be the fifth largest economy in the world and all the important decisions of the CA government that have allowed every corner of the state to succeed come from Sac. The growth is actually elsewhere, but Sac gets the title of where those policy decisions have come from. Without Sac and it being the capital, CA would not be what it is, but without all the other cities and counties, Sac wouldn't have the power that it does.

Still, I don't think Irvine alone is superior to Sac. It's a major job center, but it's still a suburb. Many employment centers are located in suburbs. Just look at Silicon Valley and Palo Alto/Mountain View--they are massive employment centers with (most likely) worldwide name recognition for being the center of tech for the world more or less. However, they are both suburbs to SF and SJ. The definition of a suburb doesn't change just because it is a big job center.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suburb
Irvine is a smaller community within commuting distance to LA. That doesn't mean those living in Irvine have to actually commute to LA for work. But everything is about Irvine is suburban in nature: it lacks public transportation, it's family-oriented, it is full of malls and strip malls instead of having a true downtown, its streets are built for family-friendliness with winding roads and cul-de-sacs, its major employment center is a collection of office parks, it is well-served by freeways, it's safe, and if traveling abroad nobody will know where Irvine is so people will have to say they're from the LA area. There is nothing wrong with any of that. Some people like that vibe. Personally, I hate it, but there's no denying that Irvine is a suburb, regardless of it being a massive employment hub.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

there is nothing in there if it was not made state capital. what would you be working there if there are no govt jobs?

Irvine can stand on its own.

You are wrong about that.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by Hapa1

Irvine is nice I agree, but Sac supplies the US, as well as the world with many useful products. I realize that Irvine has some tech companies there, but it doesn’t compare to Northern California.

Yes, Sacramento has always been more than Politics and state gov't. But Sacramento has been a major player in every major political California (and national) issue.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

Sacramento would just be a small city if it is not the state capital, stop over before you get to lake tahoe just as fresno is if you are going to Yosemite

i doubt if Sacramento Kings would be holding court there if it is not the state capital

This logic means Washington D.C. wouldn't be much without the Federal gov't.