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It's been normal thoughout human history. You're obviously using it as adjective. Your typical culture at just about any time (Greek/Roman, Western European, Japanese, Chinese)... homosexuality has always been usual, typical, and expected. It's been treated differently, of course. Muslim culture, in particular, is extremely repressive of it. Western European culture shifted away from it being encouraged when Christianity began to become the dominant religion. Naturally, during the Renaissance it saw a resurgence. Still, it may have been common but it was not accepted with death being the normal punishment the Church saw as appropriate at the time throughout most of Europe. By the 17th century that had mostly changed and you had open homosexuals, most famously King James and the Duke of Buckingham. You know, the Queen James Bible?
Uh. No. You said that homosexuality is unnatural. It's common throughout human history and human culture as well as throughout the rest of the animal kingdom. It's both natural and common. I would think it should be well known that humans have sex for other reasons than to procreate from first hand experience. If we're using using that as the metric to determine naturalness and morality, then we shouldn't be teaching anything besides abstinence. And there are a lot of people who think that's exactly what we should do. The fact that most of them engaged in premarital sex and "unnatural" sex for a purposes other than procreation doesn't mean their children will. You know, because they have complete control over children in their household and since they don't teach it and schools don't teach it the kid will never know! It sounds like a bunch of delusional mumbo-jumbo to me. Obviously the thing that leads to girls discovering boys, boys discovering girls (and even boys discovering boys) is being told about that stuff by evil liberals determined to indoctrinate impressionable youth.
Really, though, I don't get the inability to separate diversity and sex-ed. They seem not to be the same thing. It's not like they are going to be showing gay porno in teaching elementary school kids that some men and different and like other men. Unless you're the President of Iran, that isn't a controversial fact.
I again restate the definition of normal :
nor·mal/ˈnôrməl/
Adjective: Conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
Noun: The usual, average, or typical state or condition.
The typical condition was heterosexual all throughout history as is it is in nature. You can sit there and believe different all you want but the majority/average weren't running around playing w/ the same sex. As stated, it came about during times of heightened 'exploration' .. as did orgies ... as did Polygamy and polyandry ... So, if yo want to open pandora's box again ... And do so to children and communicate to them that it is perfectly normal to play w/ the same sex as well as the opposite ... or both at the same time... or multiple of the same ... or multiple of the different kind ... or animals if they prefer .. you go right ahead and do that in the privacy of your home to your little kid but that junk is going to stay far removed from the innocent ears of my child. I wasn't concerned much with the topic of 'identity' when I was in K-12 as I was mainly focused on my studies and excelling at them. This was made easier by having a gender identity i could align to ... and develop along w/o much confusion.
Human beings have free-will, for the sake of getting off and fulfilling our sexual freedom we can will ourselves to just about any deviant act we want to. If you feel this is good for society, be your own guest and practice it as an adult .. but keep your fantasies of expression the hell away from my kid.
And people wonder why groups of guys are being found gang raping little girls in highschool when they should be focused on their studies...
I am not sure if you know this but exposure to such ideas and concepts can have pretty damming effects at a young age.
Deviant sexual expression is an adult choice and its something you can willfully explore on your own when you become an adult with the mental facilities that enable you to ponder such practices .. At no point did I reference religion or morals in the matter... I speak mainly from the order and stability of society. I think the minority of people in society who feel the need to get their jollies off in ever increasing permutations fail to see what such wider spread practice would do to society and social fabric. They honestly don't care .... It works for them and w/o careful consideration, feel it can work for the wider society. The periods you speak about w/ heightened sexual exploration also came w/ other heightened behaviors.. This openness brought in a lot of bad as well as good ... Sure some males might have thoughts of the same sex and surpress them so as to conform to a certain gender identity .. I find nothing wrong w/ that. Some might feel they want to choke the crap out of someone and surpress them to .. For a functional and stable society, it is necessary to surpress certain desires ... Surpression of certain desires is not always a bad thing.
Take Rome for instance ... They felt it were entertaining to watch people fight to their bloody death for sport .. A wife? what is that ... have sex w/ any and everything .. deer .. cows .. men.. women .. all at the same time ... life is your oyster.
I think for the sake of stable societies, people learned that you cannot condone or allow such rampant practices of such acts. Sure, as human beings we can come up w/ just about anything and w/o social constructs to steer us would try just about anything but take a moment and think about what kind of society you will have w/ such practices ... when a kid should be most focused on their studies and not what creative permutations of identity they should explore. At some point you have to settle on an identity and focus on your work ... If you want to explore identity, that is best and most functionally served later in your adulthood ..
This is so society is most productive and orderly.... Things that underly the very foundation of developed prosperous countries... but if you feel it is in our advantage to revert back to wild explorations of lawlessness and disorder.. During a time when our country is not most productive and is projected to be soon slipping behind the developing world .....feel free to construct some roman theaters and lets get the orgies started asap ! I think during this time of excess non-productive idiocy .. we could use more of it .. So, lets all take a break from trying to get ourselves, states, and our country out of debt and lets start exploring any and every desire we have. Lets have a renaissance right now ! HEar hear
The key point here is, that it is impossible to discriminate against a sexual disorder. No matter how gender confused the homosexual part of our population becomes, it can never be logically aligned with struggles associated with racial division.
You obviously don't live in a state where, even in 2011, you can be fired from your job simply for being a homosexual.
You obviously don't live in a state where, even in 2011, you can be fired from your job simply for being a homosexual.
And why should I come to know about your sexual preference at work... ?
This is 2011, and the same way I don't want to know johny loves women w/ big boobs i shouldn't come to know about what you do in your personal life or are aligned to outside of the workplace. The same can happen if my boss is white and doesn't approve of interracial relationships and finds that I have a beautiful blonde bangin wife at home.
What i find hilarious is that homosexuals act like preference/discrimination is new... This sh*t has been going on since the beginning of time. Grab a ticket bro... and in case you forgot your history .. race based issues were way more significant in scope than those faced by homosexuals... The gripe comes when you dare try associate your struggles w/ what african americans (for instance) went through.
You can never force anyone to believe what you believe. This is America .. and having freedom means that you have the freedom to both love and hate as you desire. Liberals seem to often time forget the 'other' aspects of the freedom they so vocally rant and rave about.
You obviously don't live in a state where, even in 2011, you can be fired from your job simply for being a homosexual.
This sounds vaguely like another sympathy solicitation, but you're correct. I'm not aware of individuals being released from their jobs in Pa. for homosexuality, but you haven't given any specifics regarding the incident you're referring to. Was the individual engaged in, or exhibiting inappropriate behavior on the job?
Okay, seriously, can I ask again why we're talking about homosexuality? This lesson isn't about homosexuality.
On Monday and today, Redwood Heights Elementary School students at every grade level were being introduced to the topic of gender diversity, with lesson plans tailored to each age group.
"Really, the message behind this curriculum is there are different ways to be boys. There are different ways to be girls."
"fourth- and fifth-grade students learned about the crazy world of gender within the animal kingdom with lessons about single-sex Hawaiian geckos, fish that switch genders and boy snakes that act "girly"
"For example, some boys can act like girls; some girls can have boy body parts; and some biological boys feel like a girl inside their hearts"
"but the curriculum was not something their children could opt out of as they can with sex and AIDS education, district officials said."
> Children have creative imaginations
> You can easily introduce seeds of thought into a child's mind that are very targeted in terms of psychological impact but seem vague and innocent on the surface.
This is planting seeds centered on homosexuality. At the age of being in Elementary school, kids might not know what sex is or might know what it is .. Regardless, a kid can put two and two together :
> "For example, some boys can act like girls; some girls can have boy body parts; and some biological boys feel like a girl inside their hearts"
^ wth do you think this causes a child to think
Lets stop acting stupid please .. kids are very capable of logic reasoning and working out permutations in there head at this age. Just the bolded statement above can fire off all sorts of unanswered questions and scenarios for a kid ..
In case you fail to see the logical progression, let me lay it out for you :
B = boy
G = girl
Y= boy body part
Z = girl body part
"some boys can act like girls;" B can act like G
"Some girls can have boy body parts" B can have Z and G and can have Y
"Some biological boys feel like a girl inside their hearts" some B feel like G
From this you can construct :
B can act and feel like G .
What separates B from G? In some cases nothing as B can some times have Z.
Thus, B sometimes = G.
If B can act and feel like G and have parts Z that normally only G has then B can conduct all such things a G does....
B can love a B.
Conversely, G can love a G.
B can kiss a B.
G can kiss a G.
Daddy where do babies come from? Response : a G and a B engaging in intercourse w/ Y and Z..
but teacher taught me that a B can be a G ... So can a B and B have babies?
Daddy it seems its o.k to kiss Bs and Gs... or that G and G and B and B rub junk together
Congratulations you just systematically confused the hell out of an elementary kid ... and the seeds of homosexuality are buried in the logic that an elementary kid is fully capable of reasoning. The adults behind this initiative who act like they aren't are merely being sneaky.
If you don't believe kids this young do not have the mental facilities to construct the above logic as well as more damning/confusing ones from just the bolded statement, i urge you to pick up some psych. studies when you get a chance..
My issues is that liberals never stop to consider such things .. They roll full steam ahead w/ some of the most idiotic of ideas and executions and worry about the consequences later.. often time too foolish to even make a correlation between consequences that crop up.
But then again, this is why monied individuals put their kids through private school because public school has become an absolute joke. But feel free to go to sleep at night ignoring the reality that such 'lessons' will bring and feel it is going to stop johny from picking at george because he is acting like a girl .. kissing boys .. or wearing glasses.. or just being different than the majority of kids in school. Perfect example of people not being reasonably minded.
Last edited by yeahthatguy; 05-31-2011 at 07:25 PM..
Well, I admit I just skimmed what you posted because it looks like a big wad of crazy.
This is a lesson about gender identity and diversity. Which is different from sexuality. I've read a few psych books and worked in education for several years. I'm far from an expert, but I get how kids think.
I think the majority of society and the heterosexual nature that allows the population growth speaks to what's 'normal'. So you understand what the definition of the word normal is :
nor·mal/ˈnôrməl/
Adjective: Conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
Noun: The usual, average, or typical state or condition.
So yeah, being gay is not normal. It is most certainly not natural (as you can tell by observing other animals in nature) who don't have the higher mental facilities to decide they want to rub their junk up agains the same sex. I think most kids will look around and can tell by themselves that homosexuality isn't the norm, isn't reproductively functional, and is the personal choice of a small minority of the population. Daddy doesn't need to point out the obvious.
Note i never brought up morality or religion. I simply pointed out natural observations... Functional reproduction and the normal trends of society. As for your notation of the minority occurrences found in nature ... please take note of what percentage exhibit this behavior .. It is 'abnormal' and by no means the common trend.. and you're right .. some animals have bisexual relationships.. orgies.. all kinds of things .. some people like to get gangbanged and have swinger relationships... maybe along w/ homosexuality we should teach impressionable kids about everything... bi-sexuality.. bestiality .. gangbangs and everything .. so they can truly make their free choice ...
Something tells me though, given the low level of academic achievement that America would be far better served teaching kids the core educational subjections like : math, science, etc and leave the many permutations of how you can rub junk w/ something out of the classroom.
Though I don't always agree with you on everything, I gotta give you two thumbs up for that one!
It's a hypocritical double standard approach pushing anything/everything liberal including sexuality down children's throats far too early. And if you disagree well, you are automaitcally labeled a bigot and a hater. Completely one sided, stupid logic. It simply means get out of way and let us continue to push our crap down your child's throat. Sorry I don't buy it and I will not tolerate this agenda as a parent.
Derek
Last edited by MtnSurfer; 05-31-2011 at 08:44 PM..
And why should I come to know about your sexual preference at work... ?
This is 2011, and the same way I don't want to know johny loves women w/ big boobs i shouldn't come to know about what you do in your personal life or are aligned to outside of the workplace. The same can happen if my boss is white and doesn't approve of interracial relationships and finds that I have a beautiful blonde bangin wife at home.
What i find hilarious is that homosexuals act like preference/discrimination is new... This sh*t has been going on since the beginning of time. Grab a ticket bro... and in case you forgot your history .. race based issues were way more significant in scope than those faced by homosexuals... The gripe comes when you dare try associate your struggles w/ what african americans (for instance) went through.
You can never force anyone to believe what you believe. This is America .. and having freedom means that you have the freedom to both love and hate as you desire. Liberals seem to often time forget the 'other' aspects of the freedom they so vocally rant and rave about.
If you interact with anyone at work you are going to know thing. You can't avoid it.
You obviously don't live in a state where, even in 2011, you can be fired from your job simply for being a homosexual.
While I do believe that discrimination is wrong, K-12 students have no bearing on the employment status of gays(or straights for that matter).
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Completely one sided, stupid logic. It simply means get out of way and let us continue to push our crap down your child's throat. Sorry I don't buy it and I will not tolerate this agenda as a parent.
