Are you Californians okay with "gender diversity" being taught? (employment, buy)

[yeahthatguy]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

Yeah . . . this post crystalizes why I want school districts, not parents, deciding what happens at schools. Wow.

Your tired posts highlight the nature of some liberals who enter into adult relationships of their choice and feel the broader society starting from kids slobbering on toys should be exposed to materials so as to allow for more people to come to accept their personal lifestyle. Regardless of the yet to be appreciated negative impacts this may have .. It's selfish.. Misguided and has no business in the confines of a public K-12 learning institution.

Aside from that, you somehow feel you can control everyone and have them behave as docile/polite lab rats ... Telling them they are free to make any choice they want to in life .. be as liberal as you want to be .. but behave at the same time... What are rules ? I thought there were none.. I thought I was free to do what I want.. kiss boys .. kiss girls.. kiss girls/boys ... wear girls clothing if i want to because I am a guy .... wear a skirt to school .... to a kid this looks abnormal and kids pick on abnormal .. Your post highlights the stubborn ideology liberals have that is buried in nothing from reality... What about the people who have religious views that speak against such things? Are they to muzzle their views when your boy decides to jam his tongue down the throat of another in a hallway ? No .. just as your kid is free to stick his tongue in the throat of someone of a same sex.. another's kid is free to express how they don't feel that is right. or pick fun of it because it is not the normal observed trend in school.

You ever play w/ a kid who has come to understand gravity and you perform an trick that goes against it? They look at it weird ... w/ que*r eyes. Once they have mastered the ability to talk they express their observation of such peculiarities....

At least the religious nuts understood the foundation of separation of church from state and teach their ideology in a private institution where people have the choice whether or not they want to attend.

Liberals feel their institution of indoctrination lies within the confines of a public institution .. My posts and other reasoned posts reflect the sentiment of reasonable adults who will continue to fight the idiots who run public learning institutions who continue to extend the non-academic portions of schooling yet can't even master the basic topics .. which has resulted in America's public K-12 institutions being the laughing stock of the world.

If clowns keep having their way, monied individuals will continue to remove their kids from this degraded laughing stock of an education institution in preference for private schools where they have more control of what their kids are taught .. and some many decades down the road liberals will scratch their heads as they always do and wonder why the hell all the poor people who attend public schools which were once decent have lost their way... But they'll surely come up w/ a wonderful costly solution to 'solve' it.

[ryskibiz]

Explaining the many facets of gender diversity can be confusing to a middle school kid and I think that trying to explain it is not the best angle. I believe that teaching tolerance is more important.
People do not have to agree with transgendered, etc. or even understand but should still respect them as individuals.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

Nope, I'm one of the parents in the article I posted - - college educated, married, and a father.

Of course liberals and gays aren't the only ones going to college . . . which is the point. If teaching about sexual diversity was undermining tradional morals as some say, why are college graduates - - the ones with the most education - - marrying more?

But if you want to take it towards the political, why are citizens of red states more likely to divorce and have children out of wedlock? Maybe some more public schooling would help them? Or at least they could just go to on-line porn to avoid these social calamities - - like oh-so-conservative Utahns do.

So you want the screwed-up school system to teach your kid about the facts of life and morals.

So sad

[Pennsylvanian1]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

Just like people in 1967, when those carpetbaggers conveniently forgot the fact that miscegenation was a very controversial issue, and through silver-tongued activists and constituent-pleasing politicians, forced good American people to accept deviants of two races to be allowed to be married if they loved one another. The indulgence of those with jungle fever!

And the homophobes of today will seem as anachronistic as those racists did back then.

As a black American, I have always taken issue with the comparison of the battle fought by my race, to gain civil rights, being used as a parallel for the unfortunate consequences of homosexual behavior.

The key point here is, that it is impossible to discriminate against a sexual disorder. No matter how gender confused the homosexual part of our population becomes, it can never be logically aligned with struggles associated with racial division. Several other types of sexual deviancy were already mentioned in this thread, however, what is conducted in the privacy of one's own bedroom is in no way similar to the political, and public, antics put on display by homosexuals, and homosexual supporters in our society, as they struggle to attach a sense of normalcy to their condition, labeling those in opposition as fearful.

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by yeahthatguy

I think the majority of society and the heterosexual nature that allows the population growth speaks to what's 'normal'. So you understand what the definition of the word normal is :
nor·mal/ˈnôrməl/
Adjective: Conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
Noun: The usual, average, or typical state or condition.

So yeah, being gay is not normal. It is most certainly not natural (as you can tell by observing other animals in nature) who don't have the higher mental facilities to decide they want to rub their junk up agains the same sex. I think most kids will look around and can tell by themselves that homosexuality isn't the norm, isn't reproductively functional, and is the personal choice of a small minority of the population. Daddy doesn't need to point out the obvious.

It's been normal thoughout human history. You're obviously using it as adjective. Your typical culture at just about any time (Greek/Roman, Western European, Japanese, Chinese)... homosexuality has always been usual, typical, and expected. It's been treated differently, of course. Muslim culture, in particular, is extremely repressive of it. Western European culture shifted away from it being encouraged when Christianity began to become the dominant religion. Naturally, during the Renaissance it saw a resurgence. Still, it may have been common but it was not accepted with death being the normal punishment the Church saw as appropriate at the time throughout most of Europe. By the 17th century that had mostly changed and you had open homosexuals, most famously King James and the Duke of Buckingham. You know, the Queen James Bible?

Note i never brought up morality or religion. I simply pointed out natural observations... Functional reproduction and the normal trends of society. As for your notation of the minority occurrences found in nature ... please take note of what percentage exhibit this behavior .. It is 'abnormal' and by no means the common trend.. and you're right .. some animals have bisexual relationships.. orgies.. all kinds of things .. some people like to get gangbanged and have swinger relationships... maybe along w/ homosexuality we should teach impressionable kids about everything... bi-sexuality.. bestiality .. gangbangs and everything .. so they can truly make their free choice ...

Uh. No. You said that homosexuality is unnatural. It's common throughout human history and human culture as well as throughout the rest of the animal kingdom. It's both natural and common. I would think it should be well known that humans have sex for other reasons than to procreate from first hand experience. If we're using using that as the metric to determine naturalness and morality, then we shouldn't be teaching anything besides abstinence. And there are a lot of people who think that's exactly what we should do. The fact that most of them engaged in premarital sex and "unnatural" sex for a purposes other than procreation doesn't mean their children will. You know, because they have complete control over children in their household and since they don't teach it and schools don't teach it the kid will never know! It sounds like a bunch of delusional mumbo-jumbo to me. Obviously the thing that leads to girls discovering boys, boys discovering girls (and even boys discovering boys) is being told about that stuff by evil liberals determined to indoctrinate impressionable youth.

Really, though, I don't get the inability to separate diversity and sex-ed. They seem not to be the same thing. It's not like they are going to be showing gay porno in teaching elementary school kids that some men and different and like other men. Unless you're the President of Iran, that isn't a controversial fact.

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by Pennsylvanian1

As a black American, I have always taken issue with the comparison of the battle fought by my race, to gain civil rights, being used as a parallel for the unfortunate consequences of homosexual behavior.

The key point here is, that it is impossible to discriminate against a sexual disorder. No matter how gender confused the homosexual part of our population becomes, it can never be logically aligned with struggles associated with racial division. Several other types of sexual deviancy were already mentioned in this thread, however, what is conducted in the privacy of one's own bedroom is in no way similar to the political, and public, antics put on display by homosexuals, and homosexual supporters in our society, as they struggle to attach a sense of normalcy to their condition, labeling those in opposition as fearful.

Why not? We all know that blacks are genetically inferior to whites. It's really the white man's duty to care for and lead the black since he is incapable of properly doing that for himself. And by "we", I of course mean the fringe wing-nuts that are white supremacists. At one time, they were the norm. Jut as as not so long ago it was the norm to label homosexuality a sexual disorder.

You can't discriminate against a sexual disorder? Sorry, man, but that goes beyond even my limits of live and let live. You can continue to practice non-discrimination of pedophiles all you want. For most of us, that's a pretty easy one to discriminate against.

[RabbitMage]

Take up the Straight Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to sodomy
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy hardness,
On ***** as folk and wild--
Your new-caught, flamboyant peoples,
...

Okay I'm out of ideas.

And I just wanted to state yet again, gender identity is not sexual orientation.

[Gentoo]

I read a good portion of the replies here but not all of them yet. I tentatively voted in favor in this poll and largely because I was only given the extremes of the choices. I tend to go go between the two here.

First I have no issue with teaching overall tolerance of lifestyles that are different from mine or yours. Like it or not, children are going to be exposed to them once they get out of our homes. HOWEVER, I do think elementary school is entirely too young to talk about anything sexually related IMO.

I'm not going to address the whole homosexuality is a choice or not a choice as that's beyond the scope of this discussion IMO. I think it's interesting that many talk about how horrible our school system is. I do that as well. Then I wonder how come certain groups like many Asians do so well in the same system the rest of us fail in. Is it really the schools?

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Don9

So you want the screwed-up school system to teach your kid about the facts of life and morals.

So sad

Now Don, you know good and well that those of that ilk and "enlightened" persuasion NEED government to not just teach them what to think but do so for their children and raise them as into the bargain. How else will they all beciome properly indoctrinated in right-think and right-speak? Can you imagine anything more disruptive and dangerous than citizens who actually have the will and capability to think for themselves and be self-sufficient? My goodness! Who needs Darwin when you have Orwell? I mean, it's already stretches the credibility to ponder that they're actually a result of thousands of years of evolution.

[TristramShandy]

Originally Posted by Don9

So you want the screwed-up school system to teach your kid about the facts of life and morals.

So sad

Yes - - because I know the vast majority of parents have no idea what facts are.

Morals can come from the family - - but there is nothing moral about hatred.