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I agree. I think it's suspicious enough that Mercedes didn't suffer the same problems in Monaco that they have suffered in almost every single race since the start.
It stinks because I really like Rosberg and Hamilton, but at this point I honestly think they probably did gain an advantage by testing the tires.
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Originally Posted by burdell
That may be due more to the low speeds at Monaco than anything else, they've had a good car all season, it's possible Monaco just didn't torture thae tires like other circuits..
The higher speeds in Montreal should be a bit more telling.
I agree with burdell here lisan23.
The slower corners probably had a lot to do with it. Their big issue from the previous race was camber. The wheels weren't moving upright under breaking.
They likely would have been using less camber angle at Monaco too.
I agree with burdell here lisan23.
The slower corners probably had a lot to do with it. Their big issue from the previous race was camber. The wheels weren't moving upright under breaking.
They likely would have been using less camber angle at Monaco too.
True, but as I said it at a minimum looks suspicious.
Even if they didn't get an advantage Pirelli was in the wrong for how they went about testing and from what's been said so far Mercedes knew all the other teams had to have been given the same option.
True, but as I said it at a minimum looks suspicious.
Even if they didn't get an advantage Pirelli was in the wrong for how they went about testing and from what's been said so far Mercedes knew all the other teams had to have been given the same option.
Agreed.
I do like the extra competition to the big teams though.
But it is an unfair advantage. I guess just how much they got will yet have to be seen though.
I do like the extra competition to the big teams though.
But it is an unfair advantage. I guess just how much they got will yet have to be seen though.
I really like Rosberg A LOT, so I'm really hoping that nothing to major happens to Mercedes. I have felt that the car has really let him down this season which is so frustrating. That combined with having to stay behind Hamilton in Malaysia... I'm glad he finally won in Monaco. I feel he really deserved it.
From what I've read, I feel as if the majority of fault lies with Pirelli.
I really like Rosberg A LOT, so I'm really hoping that nothing to major happens to Mercedes. I have felt that the car has really let him down this season which is so frustrating. That combined with having to stay behind Hamilton in Malaysia... I'm glad he finally won in Monaco. I feel he really deserved it.
From what I've read, I feel as if the majority of fault lies with Pirelli.
Yeh it appears most fault lies with them. If anything, the FIA may just tell them to give the other teams the same opportunity. I suppose they'll be watching Mercedes closely over the next couple of races. It would be hard to tell any advantage now though. The camber problem would be due to suspension setup/design. Not tyres. Tyre issues could be due to pressures, chassis or suspension design. They could now argue it was a suspension design issue which has been "fixed" after looking at the suspension of the other cars.
Will be interesting how the next couple of races play out though.
I really like Rosberg too. He definitely deserved that last win. After managing to get away after all those restarts and just owning that race, that race was his and he drove like a champ.
He just seems so down to earth. Gives great interviews and has a great competitive attitude.
I don't think it's Pirelli's fault. They are in an impossible position: they were asked to make tyres that help the show, but allow drivers to push, and are not an advantage for a particular team, with some ridiculous tyre allocation rules (Q3 cars basically punished for being faster); and all that without testing.
Teams, FIA and Bernie have to rethink their approach or soon not a single tyre company will want to touch F1.
I don't think it's Pirelli's fault. They are in an impossible position: they were asked to make tyres that help the show, but allow drivers to push, and are not an advantage for a particular team, with some ridiculous tyre allocation rules (Q3 cars basically punished for being faster); and all that without testing.
Teams, FIA and Bernie have to rethink their approach or soon not a single tyre company will want to touch F1.
The FIA told them they could do testing, the requirement is that they offered every team the opportunity to test so that one team didn't possibly gain advantage over another. Pirelli didn't do that. How is that not their fault?
The FIA told them they could do testing, the requirement is that they offered every team the opportunity to test so that one team didn't possibly gain advantage over another. Pirelli didn't do that. How is that not their fault?
They did make the offer, or so they said, to all teams by email. Mercedes was the first to answer, so they got this test. They say they have no idea why Mercedes went with main drivers and 2013 cars, but that it's the team's business to conduct itself within testing rules, not Pirelli's.
They didn't advertise the test, but it was hardly secret: track booked to their name, staff in full Pirelli gear.
Of course that doesn't explain why there was a Ferrari test before the Mercedes one, though, if Mercedes was first to answer.
They did make the offer, or so they said, to all teams by email. Mercedes was the first to answer, so they got this test. They say they have no idea why Mercedes went with main drivers and 2013 cars, but that it's the team's business to conduct itself within testing rules, not Pirelli's.
They didn't advertise the test, but it was hardly secret: track booked to their name, staff in full Pirelli gear.
Of course that doesn't explain why there was a Ferrari test before the Mercedes one, though, if Mercedes was first to answer.
Ferrari conducted their test a few weeks prior. It was said Force India did one too.
If anyone is to "blame" though, both Mercedes and Pirelli would be at fault.
I don't think it's Pirelli's fault. They are in an impossible position: they were asked to make tyres that help the show, but allow drivers to push, and are not an advantage for a particular team, with some ridiculous tyre allocation rules (Q3 cars basically punished for being faster); and all that without testing.
Teams, FIA and Bernie have to rethink their approach or soon not a single tyre company will want to touch F1.
It's not just the Q3 cars being punished though. They all suffer. The Q3 cars are still way faster.
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