Is north fulton still trying to break away? (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: low crime, quality of life)

[AcidSnake]

Never say never in Georgia.

Some people thought that Sandy Springs would never become a city. And then Roy Barnes & Tom Murphy got the boot, signaling the end of decades of moderate Democratic influence in metro Atlanta, post 1964 CRA. Now, Sandy Springs is a bonafide city.

I can see more Ds changing to Rs given the right bribes...err, I mean "motivation". Like a plum leadership position on a committee.

Milton County may very likely have its day in the court of public electoral opinion.

Originally Posted by bryantm3

milton county is never happening. as an alpharetta resident, the people who were pushing it were your more fundamentalist christian, upper middle class types. living in downtown alpharetta, i see less and less of those types of people every year and more and more of a diverse, accepting community. it may still be that way in johns creek and i know it is definitely that way in forsyth, but since there is a cap of 159 counties in the state and it failed before when it had the most support, i seriously doubt it's going to pass now.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by AcidSnake

Never say never in Georgia.

Some people thought that Sandy Springs would never become a city. And then Roy Barnes & Tom Murphy got the boot, signaling the end of decades of moderate Democratic influence in metro Atlanta, post 1964 CRA. Now, Sandy Springs is a bonafide city.

I can see more Ds changing to Rs given the right bribes...err, I mean "motivation". Like a plum leadership position on a committee.

Milton County may very likely have its day in the court of public electoral opinion.

Georgia's history of state policy concerning municipal law was neanderthal. Democrats were responsible for these laws, some of which were based on 19th century ideals. An example? the reason we have the second largest number of counties... no Georgia citizen should be further than a days wagon ride from the county seat.

Give Republicans props for being progressive. Moderate democrats my foot.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Eunomia

So how did you go from being raised in a "fundamentalist christian church" to becoming jewish?

long story. partially because i actually started reading the bible and figured out the second half doesn't make any sense.

[AcidSnake]

Apparently in your zeal to somehow prove me wrong, you missed the part where I said "post 1964 CRA".

If you actually think that the current majority political party at our statehouse is "progressive"...given the grief that they are giving MARTA, the ID laws that have actually reversed the gains that former Gov Perdue made to shorten the waiting time at the DDS, the laws being considered to limit a woman's reproductive rights, and decreasing taxes to wealthy citizens & corporations while increasing the tax burden on the middle class & poor...then there is not much more for us to talk about on this issue.

Because it seems that you and I have two completely different ideas on what it means to be "progressive".

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Georgia's history of state policy concerning municipal law was neanderthal. Democrats were responsible for these laws, some of which were based on 19th century ideals. An example? the reason we have the second largest number of counties... no Georgia citizen should be further than a days wagon ride from the county seat.

Give Republicans props for being progressive. Moderate democrats my foot.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by AcidSnake

Apparently in your zeal to somehow prove me wrong, you missed the part where I said "post 1964 CRA".

If you actually think that the current majority political party at our statehouse is "progressive"...given the grief that they are giving MARTA, the ID laws that have actually reversed the gains that former Gov Perdue made to shorten the waiting time at the DDS, the laws being considered to limit a woman's reproductive rights, and decreasing taxes to wealthy citizens & corporations while increasing the tax burden on the middle class & poor...then there is not much more for us to talk about on this issue.

Because it seems that you and I have two completely different ideas on what it means to be "progressive".

You equated the citizens of Sandy Springs and others being allowed to become a city and govern themselves with Republicans that weren't moderate... at least you equated the Democrats leaving that opposed cityhood as moderate so I made that assumption. That is all I referred to. Those democrats that kept cities from establishing themselves I will not call moderate in that issue, that was old school politics based in the racist past.

Whatever else you are going about is not on the table for discussion and not a part of this thread and is nothing I was referring to and refuse to be drug into such a discussion. The topic is North Fulton and municipal services, county vs. city.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Basic municipal services went to the cities when they incorporated. The biggest thing the county controls over the N. Fulton cities is the school district. The state of Georgia does not allow cities to establish city run school districts anymore... forget the date, but I think sometine in the 70s this was established. Existing city systems were grandfathered in, that is why you have no new school districts formed since that date.

Perhaps I am missing something, but what else would benefit North Fulton residents now that they are all incorporated cities other than being able to establish the Milton County School System?

I guess Milton county would get to have its own library system. Out of 33 Atlanta Fulton County Library branches, only 5 are in North Fulton.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

I guess Milton county would get to have its own library system. Out of 33 Atlanta Fulton County Library branches, only 5 are in North Fulton.

About the same as in South Fulton...most of them are clustered in the city of Atlanta

I wonder how that works...would a newly-formed county be required to buy the school and library buildings from the former county? I doubt they would just be handed over.

[AcidSnake]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

You equated the citizens of Sandy Springs and others being allowed to become a city and govern themselves with Republicans that weren't moderate... at least you equated the Democrats leaving that opposed cityhood as moderate so I made that assumption. That is all I referred to..

Fair enough.

For my part, I don't consider city-hood a progressive issue because these cities only became the powerhouses that they are today because they took the lion's share of taxes when they were building themselves up from the podunks that they were in the past. I am not the only one who has this opinion.

The Rise of Milton County – GSU Magazine

And now when their neighbors to the south want the same treatment, all of a sudden people want to complain. And our local corporate-owned media is quite content with sitting back and watch the sparks fly rather than tell the truth...and provide some historical context to this whole north/south taxation issue. But who cares right?

What's done is done.

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Those democrats that kept cities from establishing themselves I will not call moderate in that issue, that was old school politics based in the racist past.

What racism are you talking about?

White people were always dominant in political office in Georgia no matter what party label they called themselves. In fact the only racism that I see was the white flight that took place in the 1950s-1980s when people ran away from the core of Atlanta to Sandy Springs and the tax money for building roads, sewers, and highways simply followed them.

Adding more to the racism pile is that the recurring factor of living here has always been that whenever black people come into control of something, there is always some legislation or tricky maneuver in the works to take it away. It never fails. America still chafes over black governance.

No matter how innocent the claims, excuses, and justifications are, be it less taxes or better governance, that 800 pound gorilla known as "race" will always be hiding in America & Georgia's closet.

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Whatever else you are going about is not on the table for discussion and not a part of this thread and is nothing I was referring to and refuse to be drug into such a discussion. The topic is North Fulton and municipal services, county vs. city.

That's fine. But you went outside the box yourself, so maybe you should take your own advice and take off your cloak of self-righteousness.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by AcidSnake

Fair enough.

For my part, I don't consider city hood a progressive issue because these cities only became the powerhouses that they were today because they took the lion shares of taxes when they were building themselves up from the podunks that they were in the past. I am not the only one who has this opinion.

The Rise of Milton County – GSU Magazine



What racism are you talking about?

White people were always dominant in political office in Georgia no matter what party label they called themselves. In fact the only racism that I see was the white flight that took place in the 1950s-1980s when people ran away from the core of Atlanta to Sandy Springs and the tax money simply for building roads and highways simply followed them.

Adding more to the racism pile is that the recurring factor of living here has always been that whenever black people come into control of something, there is always some legislation or tricky maneuver in the works to take it away. It never fails.

No matter how innocent the claims are be it less taxes or better governance, that 800 pound gorilla will always be hiding in the closet.



That's fine. But you went outside the box yourself, so maybe you should take your own advice and take off your cloak of righteousness.

I don't understand your cloak of righteousness statement so will go past that, but it was clear that racial issues were evident when Sam Massell tried to incorporate Sandy Springs into Atlanta and the attitude was from both sides... whites in Sandy Springs not wanting to be in the city and blacks in the city eyeing a majority and not wanting to dilute their voting strength. The loony laws on the books limiting cities incorporating or expanding were directly tied to this issue. This issue is the only reason I challenged your assertion of moderate democrats and the city issue... which is all driectly related to the Milton County re-establishment issue. Georgia democrats might be the most progressive thing since progress was invented, but in this issue, these democrats were not thinking progressively at all.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

long story. partially because i actually started reading the bible and figured out the second half doesn't make any sense.

Well, maybe not to you.