"The Pine St Homeless shelter is preventing growth" (Atlanta: state, local)

[canceltriplea]

Welp, then it's high time that those who are sick and tired of seeing them in such a prime real estate location, roll up their sleeves, get busy, get involved and do something about it. People so easily tend to forget, that these people were probably once very prosperous and financially just like them. Situations change, mental health gets ignored and people pushed aside, abandoned and looked down upon. Those up on the ladder, never fail to not take a dig at those in less fortunate situations. They simply can't equate nor wrap their heads around the fact, that they could ever in a million years...find themselves...sitting in that same precarious, situation.

Hopefully when you're looking down your nose at someone, it is following your extended arm to help them up to their feet.

[kferq]

Originally Posted by canceltriplea

What bothers me about such programs is, they get funding from major foundations, businesses and individual donors. The only option they offer recipients is job/employment searching. They never offer them ways to become financially empowered by working for themselves. Not everybody is job ready, but, many are self employment ready...yet they keep trying to put everybody they encounter into that small, limited options, box.

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime."

It's time to teach and stop giving.

It bothers that people give money to homeless shelters? How else do they exist? Peachtree Pine gets money from: (looking at the website) individuals, churches, businesses and foundations. Of course, shelters also raise money by thrift stores, having gardens to raise heir own food, and the like. But donations are required to pay the bills.

I don't know where you learned what other shelters do. All the shelters I have worked with have had education programs where they teach skills and do not just have job/employment searching. They look at people as individuals in just the way you are suggesting. I have seen people graduate (that is what it is called when you leave to live in your own home) at Clifton with self-employment.

[canceltriplea]

Originally Posted by kferq

It bothers that people give money to homeless shelters? How else do they exist? Peachtree Pine gets money from: (looking at the website) individuals, churches, businesses and foundations. Of course, shelters also raise money by thrift stores, having gardens to raise heir own food, and the like. But donations are required to pay the bills.

I don't know where you learned what other shelters do. All the shelters I have worked with have had education programs where they teach skills and do not just have job/employment searching. They look at people as individuals in just the way you are suggesting. I have seen people graduate (that is what it is called when you leave to live in your own home) at Clifton with self-employment.

Stats mean nothing if the population of hungry and homelessness are still growing by leaps and bounds. Where is there a direct aid organization? They don't exist because they are not really set up to do that. Yeah, some can help struggling people maybe pay a rental security deposit, give a voucher for some clothes or furniture but the vast funding is to support the organization's efforts. The most any of them do for the needy (with rare exception) is give them 2 hots and a cot and shown the door at 7 or 8 am.

[tikigod311]

Originally Posted by canceltriplea

Welp, then it's high time that those who are sick and tired of seeing them in such a prime real estate location, roll up their sleeves, get busy, get involved and do something about it.

Hopefully when you're looking down your nose at someone, it is following your extended arm to help them up to their feet.

Funny how you think not liking a specific shelter that is ineffective and survives solely off lawsuits makes someone an elitist.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that we should shut down all shelters. One of Atlanta's biggest shelters is right off Centennial Olympic Park, right next to the epicenter of all that is tourism in Atlanta. Do you hear anyone saying we should shut that down? NO.

Pine St shelter is a problem for the city and its homeless. It needs to go away forever.

[Atlwarrior]

What a dam embarrassment, I have never seen so much trash scatter everywhere today. Can the city of Atlanta use imminent domain and rebuild it somewhere else.

[Hokiehaven]

It is an embarrassment to the city in so many more ways. The one person arguing about it doesn't know a thing about this specific shelter. It's problems have persisted for years and even have gotten worse, it's a Hep B starter location, they are spreading disease on top of keeping these people in horrible conditions.

The people at this facility go here because they don't want help, but even so, there are other shelters, good ones I've been to in the city too, one downtown is also very good in the old jail. They provide good programs that help them move up and out.

Pine Street needs to go, the issues have persisted, and can't be changed at this state. A shelter is fine for the area, but everything within a 2-3 block radius is untouchable basically. Look at something as basic as the Civic Center being sold, the buyer doesn't want it unless PP is closed, cause it's such a problem.

Also it is hurting the growth significantly. All areas around this eye sore would grow rapidly and enormously if it was better or gone. Probably up to Midtown, Downtown and out to Ponce, more intensely and densely than anything we've seen to date, but that whole region, no one wants to be on the street, particularly at night with the rampant issues going on. Also if you want to look at something interesting, look at the real estate prices of things around Peachtree Pine, condos, etc. radically different than things just a few blocks north in Midtown.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by Atlwarrior

What a dam embarrassment, I have never seen so much trash scatter everywhere today. Can the city of Atlanta use imminent domain and rebuild it somewhere else.

*Eminent domain, and the issue is that even the building's owners want it gone, but it's tied up in court.

[Atlwarrior]

Originally Posted by Gulch

*Eminent domain, and the issue is that even the building's owners want it gone, but it's tied up in court.

Thanks for the correction Eminent Domain

[Atlwarrior]

Originally Posted by Hokiehaven

It is an embarrassment to the city in so many more ways. The one person arguing about it doesn't know a thing about this specific shelter. It's problems have persisted for years and even have gotten worse, it's a Hep B starter location, they are spreading disease on top of keeping these people in horrible conditions.

The people at this facility go here because they don't want help, but even so, there are other shelters, good ones I've been to in the city too, one downtown is also very good in the old jail. They provide good programs that help them move up and out.

Pine Street needs to go, the issues have persisted, and can't be changed at this state. A shelter is fine for the area, but everything within a 2-3 block radius is untouchable basically. Look at something as basic as the Civic Center being sold, the buyer doesn't want it unless PP is closed, cause it's such a problem.

Also it is hurting the growth significantly. All areas around this eye sore would grow rapidly and enormously if it was better or gone. Probably up to Midtown, Downtown and out to Ponce, more intensely and densely than anything we've seen to date, but that whole region, no one wants to be on the street, particularly at night with the rampant issues going on. Also if you want to look at something interesting, look at the real estate prices of things around Peachtree Pine, condos, etc. radically different than things just a few blocks north in Midtown.

Spot on!

[jpk1292000]

So what is the current state of the shelter? Hung up once again in the courts?