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Old 06-28-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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It would be just as true for me to say:

True. But that doesn't mean that theism has any basis in reasoning. It's psychological.
Fine. As long as you don't try to say that there is something wrong with theism in itself.
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Fine. As long as you don't try to say that there is something wrong with theism in itself.
Oh but I do.
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:11 PM
 
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I'm a Liberal Theist or some would say maybe an Agnostic Theist. Some atheists label all people like me as Agnostic.
What exactly do you think that I am?
lol, doesn't matter what you are. It only matters the label I put on you to strengthen an argument.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:35 PM
 
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I'm a Liberal Theist or some would say maybe an Agnostic Theist. Some atheists label all people like me as Agnostic.
What exactly do you think that I am?
Exactly what I said. I think you are a person who would like to live in a universe where god (he/she/it/they) exist(s), but is flailing around for concrete evidence. Because the strongest claim you make is "well, why can't he/she/it/they exist?"

I'm not interested at all in which label other people pin on you or that you pin on other people.

BTW, your attempt to compare yourself with jesus is noted, and all I can say is that you ain't him.

(Mark 8:29 "But who do you say I am?" He asked. Peter answered, "You are the Christ.")
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Old 07-01-2018, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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Quite so! It has always puzzled me why believers see 'faith' as something to be applauded, something worthy and something that they must strive to achieve and improve when, in fact, it is the most idiotic thing imaginable! Believing something is true when there is no verifiable evidence that it is and in so many cases, much verifiable evidence that it isn't true, defies all logic, reason and common sense.
And this is what leaves 'believers' so vulnerable to other forms of fraud, and, in particular, 'affinity fraud'.

These people are so conditioned to believe things that aren't true, can't possibly true, and often are verifiably untrue, that it makes them easy marks for other claims that aren't and can't be true...and even when the fraud is exposed they will deny that it is a fraud and make excuses for why the evidence/proof of the fraud *must* be false and 'made up' as some sort of conspiracy against the perpetrator.

I spent about ten years investigating stock fraud cases and very often the most 'hard-core' of the 'true believers' (believing that the scam was real and not a scam) were often also extremely 'religious' people...and practically guaranteed in the cases of affinity scams. I have even seen cases where they continued believing and denying the truth even after the scam was exposed and the perpetrators punished/jailed...sometimes continuing to insist that all would be vindicated for literally *years* afterward.
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:23 PM
 
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What exactly do you think that I am?
If I answered that the way I want to, I'd probably get infracted.

I think that your goal is to pizz people off as much as you can, perhaps even *hoping* that someone will say something that you can report.
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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If I answered that the way I want to, I'd probably get infracted.

I think that your goal is to pizz people off as much as you can, perhaps even *hoping* that someone will say something that you can report.
Interesting. I deleted several of my posts a few days ago for the same reason.
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Old 07-01-2018, 07:38 PM
 
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This is like the Twilight Zone to me.
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Old 07-01-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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This is like the Twilight Zone to me.
Why? Because people keep telling you that your contentions are lame?

Welcome to a place where you have to do more than assert something in order to be taken seriously.
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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Why? Because people keep telling you that your contentions are lame?

Welcome to a place where you have to do more than assert something in order to be taken seriously.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the universe is not a rational place. So it wouldn't be beneficial to try to understand absolutely everything from a rational perspective. In my opinion it would only hurt a person to do this.

You can either dismiss me or take my words to heart. That's your choice.
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