Best city to move to that is not Phoenix area without snow and liberal leaning? (Tucson: scorpions, live in)

[bongofury]

I read through the thread. I say get out of Arizona all together. Forget the Verde Valley (Cottonwood, Camp Verde, Clarkdale, Rimrock, Cornville, etc.). Been there, done that. Same old narrow-minded provincialism, truck, bible, and you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands yadda yadda kinda place as most every other Arizona place. Prescott, PV, Cordes, Dewey, etc. are conservative to the core. Sedona in Coconino County is just strange. No real employment opportunity, seasonal tourism, time shares, pseudo artsy-fartsy stuff that is about as desirable artistically as those Thomas Kincaide paintings all over California that most anyone who knows art hates. Could coastal Oregon or an adult community of manufactured homes in the Central Coast (Arroyo Grande) area of California workout? Don't care anymore what the out of the closet John Bircher's in 'zona think about me anymore, so I just speak my mind and let the chips fall where they may.

If I have to hear Jan Brewer boosting one more time about Intel's commitment to expand their Phoenix operations here I'll barf. Those plans were well in the works before she was embarrassing the state.

[mistygrl092]

Originally Posted by kcaz1957

as a victim of violence in mexico, i understand your concerns.

i agree that tucson may be mostly liberal slums and conservative upscale.... ok, i exagerate some

i think bhc or lhc would be fine for you. i go to the community college in bhc and lived there for about a year and had no problem there.

i live in kingman and would welcome another liberal. kingman is more conservative but most people are "live and let live".

i grew up in a very liberal family and area. i am more middle of the road but am often up for a good discussion.

is your insurance something that others can sign up for? i let my cobra expire and am now kicking myself and looking for new ins.

if you are looking for people that are ok with lifestyle choices.... there are people that will welcome you

Thanks much for the warm welcome if I were to move there.

Far as insurance, unless you are high risk, shoot for a private plan. It will be a lot cheaper. Now, if you have certain conditions, just make sure that no more than 60 or 63 days have not gone by or you cannot go on portability. I was able to lower my premium from $1200 a month (just for me) down to $574 (but with a $10K deductible). Pls. feel free to PM me and I'll hook you up with a very nice and knowledgable broker here in AZ.

[mistygrl092]

Originally Posted by bongofury

I read through the thread. I say get out of Arizona all together. Forget the Verde Valley (Cottonwood, Camp Verde, Clarkdale, Rimrock, Cornville, etc.). Been there, done that. Same old narrow-minded provincialism, truck, bible, and you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands yadda yadda kinda place as most every other Arizona place. Prescott, PV, Cordes, Dewey, etc. are conservative to the core. Sedona in Coconino County is just strange. No real employment opportunity, seasonal tourism, time shares, pseudo artsy-fartsy stuff that is about as desirable artistically as those Thomas Kincaide paintings all over California that most anyone who knows art hates. Could coastal Oregon or an adult community of manufactured homes in the Central Coast (Arroyo Grande) area of California workout? Don't care anymore what the out of the closet John Bircher's in 'zona think about me anymore, so I just speak my mind and let the chips fall where they may.

If I have to hear Jan Brewer boosting one more time about Intel's commitment to expand their Phoenix operations here I'll barf. Those plans were well in the works before she was embarrassing the state.

Yes, I think about this every day. If it were not for the health insurance deal, I would rather quickly. I've always thought about the OR coast and my ex MIL lives near Arroyo Grande. Needless to say, we're on good terms.

[Docaholic]

Yeah, California sounds more like your speed. I'm originally from Tucson and it's not as liberal as most people here make it out to be. Like a lot of people originally from Tuscon; Registered Dem but more centrist..live and let live attitude and keep the government out of my business... Thats one of the reasons why Gabrielle Gifford is so popular there. "Keep the government off my body and away from my guns"

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Docaholic

Yeah, California sounds more like your speed. I'm originally from Tucson and it's not as liberal as most people here make it out to be. Like a lot of people originally from Tuscon; Registered Dem but more centrist..live and let live attitude and keep the government out of my business... Thats one of the reasons why Gabrielle Gifford is so popular there. "Keep the government off my body and away from my guns"

Well the funny thing is people assume all of California is liberal when in reality many of the nicest and most upscale areas are not liberal like Orange County which is pretty conservative. Arizona is the opposite. It has the reputation of being really conservative but it's not. Arizona is fiscally conservative but with regard to social issues, it's fairly moderate to left leaning. We passed medical marijuana which a typical conservative state would never pass. We also rejected an anti-gay marriage bill in 2006. Most of our controversial social issues are always fairly close. Nonetheless, I like the fact that Arizona is fiscally conservative.

California isn't that liberal. Oregon is definitely more left leaning than California. Oregon is more like the OP's speed

[observer53]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Well the funny thing is people assume all of California is liberal when in reality many of the nicest and most upscale areas are not liberal like Orange County which is pretty conservative. Arizona is the opposite. It has the reputation of being really conservative but it's not. Arizona is fiscally conservative but with regard to social issues, it's fairly moderate to left leaning. We passed medical marijuana which a typical conservative state would never pass. We also rejected an anti-gay marriage bill in 2006. Most of our controversial social issues are always fairly close. Nonetheless, I like the fact that Arizona is fiscally conservative.

California isn't that liberal. Oregon is definitely more left leaning than California. Oregon is more like the OP's speed

True, but since she can't leave Arizona due to insurance issues, her present options have to be in this state.

[mistygrl092]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Well the funny thing is people assume all of California is liberal when in reality many of the nicest and most upscale areas are not liberal like Orange County which is pretty conservative. Arizona is the opposite. It has the reputation of being really conservative but it's not. Arizona is fiscally conservative but with regard to social issues, it's fairly moderate to left leaning. We passed medical marijuana which a typical conservative state would never pass. We also rejected an anti-gay marriage bill in 2006. Most of our controversial social issues are always fairly close. Nonetheless, I like the fact that Arizona is fiscally conservative.

California isn't that liberal. Oregon is definitely more left leaning than California. Oregon is more like the OP's speed

Ok, confused. Did we say it's ok to get married if one is gay? And AZ is wrong in all the fiscally conservative areas. Just guessing, but who paid for that arena in Glendale? Who paid for that arena downtown? Who paid for that worthless light rail? Who just cut medicaid to those needing transplants?

And while CA might be conservative in Orange County, where else is it conservative?

[mistygrl092]

Originally Posted by observer53

True, but since she can't leave Arizona due to insurance issues, her present options have to be in this state.

Yes, and I just read a long Tucson thread (well, there are 59 pages plus so not all of it) and now I doubt Tucson. I do not want to deal with snakes and scorpions and liberal areas that are slums while all the rich conservatives live in the foothills. That is my impression based on what I read.

I understand that there is no perfect place, but some are better than others and suit certain people better than others.

[mistygrl092]

Originally Posted by Docaholic

Yeah, California sounds more like your speed. I'm originally from Tucson and it's not as liberal as most people here make it out to be. Like a lot of people originally from Tuscon; Registered Dem but more centrist..live and let live attitude and keep the government out of my business... Thats one of the reasons why Gabrielle Gifford is so popular there. "Keep the government off my body and away from my guns"

Well, I am tax me 40 or 50% and provide universal health care to everyone. So I guess I am most definitely in the minority here. Guns? Meh, if you want 'em, go for it. Protect your home. But leave them at home. They should only be used for self defense and as long as a reasonable person comports themselves accordingly in society, 99% of problems will not occur.

And MOSTLY, I am stop the WARS and the nation building crap as we cannot afford it. Oh, and stop outsourcing our jobs. I guess I'm an isolationist, just like Ron Paul.

One thing I'd point out to read, which is an excellent read is called Neo-Conned.

Here it is, for anyone interested. BTW, he's a libertarian and republican.

TEXT: Ron Paul's "Neo-Conned" Speech to the U.S. House

[bongofury]

Blue collar solutions to complex problems more often than not lead to even more complex problems. I know it sounds elitist, but it's usually true in high politics. Wars of choice - not necessity, arms for hostages, sanctuary for disposed corrupt dictators, wiretaps and blackmail of political opponents - very harmful to society. Ever note Ron Paul websites seem to be a sticky for advertisers selling survival products. I'll take a pass reading Ayn Rand in my homegrown fallout shelter by the glow of my battery lantern, and I still don't need to enrich the small arms manufacturers in order to survive the impending onslaught from the invading hoards who'll more likely use chemicals and nuclear devices of which all the Glocks and night vision gear in the world is powerless against, however grant you that the nice chunk of change you dropped on that precision firearm may be efficient in use against the delinquent stealing your weed whacker, however the subsequent legal entanglements may have you wishing you had a functioning brain.