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nursing students need to stick with 2 years jr college RN certificate and stop going to universities for advanced degrees in nursing. they keep saying its the only path to nursing but a military surgery team nurse has the best experience u could ask for, if a job seeker, army nurse is very employable. not to mention, if she stays put, a full lieutenant in the army-- 80k to 90k with mega benefits.
nursing students need to stick with 2 years jr college RN certificate and stop going to universities for advanced degrees in nursing. they keep saying its the only path to nursing but a military surgery team nurse has the best experience u could ask for, if a job seeker, army nurse is very employable. not to mention, if she stays put, a full lieutenant in the army-- 80k to 90k with mega benefits.
Nurses who work in big-city teaching hospitals almost uniformly need a BSN---no substitutions. And many are strongly encouraged to get their Masters, and/or become a nurse practitioner...
Nurses who work in big-city teaching hospitals almost uniformly need a BSN---no substitutions. And many are strongly encouraged to get their Masters, and/or become a nurse practitioner...
oh well stay put at 90k a year full lieutenant with officers quarters.
US Army taking application right now for RN 2 year jr college certificate plus pass the state, no PhD required. also inquire at VA.
another option, 42 unit LVN and then do crossover program 30 hrs to RN. all at jr college
its not about employers its about a degree crazed american, y generation people, who feel without 120k of student debt they just cant get a good nights sleep.
we got 10% unemployed. employers can make any crazy demands they want. your job is the end run around their crazy.
btw i know of people that did their RN in manila w/o the 3 year wait.
I thought I read somewhere where the President of that place has a salary in the high six figures too.
He was recently forced out over accred. issues that are surfacing now.
TBH, there is a very good chance that MSU ceases to exist over this, which would not only affect Beckley, but also Martinsburg. They own Martinsburg Mall (which is one of their stupid decisions that's help put them in this current predicament).
Interesting, because one of the schools that was recommended to me a couple of years ago was Mountain State, by a person who knew and thought highly of the Director of Nursing.
Well, there's a lot of bad teaching in all RN programs. RNs can make more money working as RNs than instructors, so the best ones are probably working and not teaching. That was especially true until about 2008-2009 when hospitals starting closing facilities and laying off nurses. As a former nursing student, I think that the curriculum at the Pennsylvania diploma school school I attended (and it's been in existence since the 1890s) was fragmented, nonsensical, and very poorly taught. So, I quit. I'm in the same boat: If I want to be a RN, I have to start over b/c due to the school's unique diploma-school curriculum built around its own hospital facilities, I'm out of sequence with any other college or diploma school. And nothing transfers. The good news for repeaters is, it's easier the second time.
Nursing education needs a major overhaul and redesign, probably everywhere, not just the schools mentioned here. Students failing is becoming much more commonplace than rare. Some schools, like the one I was at, keep students tied up in crapwork all day (like it's all lectures, all day, and nobody learns from that much yapping) they're exhausted by the time they get home. Students teaching selves and other students was real common at my ex-school, too. The lectures were useless for learning. What we learned, we learned from independent study of books and Powerpoints outside of class. Then, people also went to Pittsburgh and took the Kaplan NCLEX review course on their own and the Kaplan prep class was the only thing keeping that school's NCLEX-RN pass rate so high. Probably Mountain State students didn't have the advantage of a nearby Kaplan course? Or it is offered in Charleston? Still, most might not have the money to do it.
So, you can look at a school's statistics and still not see the truth there. What you need to really do is get the inside scoop on what that school is like from the students who've been through it. The greatest strength of that highly-acclaimed diploma school I attend was that it still had open seats available! LOL. It's sad but true.
The students on the allnurses board tell me there's a 3-year waitlist for all RN programs at public schools in WV now.
My advice to nursing students, anywhere, is that nursing ed is run by women, and that they are often NOT team players who want to nurture and teach their students the way other college degree programs do. Nursing is fixated on "you have people's lives in your hands" (as if NO other profession ever affected the safety and well-being of people) and their educational philosophy looks like one huge game of keep-away to me, rather than making sure you get the skills and learn how to do the job. Don't rely on their teaching you anything. Listen to their droning, and if you're not understanding the subject material, get used to putting in hours and hours to self-teach, or else hire your own tutor, because your school won't help you. The schools actually want to flunk or drive out the marginal students, before they ever get the chance to sit for the NCLEX-RN. That pass rate is a major metric, so the schools want that looking as stellar as possible, not matter who they grind up and discard to get there.
Emphasis on "Teach to the test" and not on "produce finished nurses" is getting to be pretty common, too. It seems that many students don't get much clinical experience until they are actually employed. I think that's goofy, too. If I spend 18-48 months in nursing school, they'd better dam well teach me what I need to know so that I am a competent RN when I graduate. Why is so much teaching still up to the hospitals and employers. Make the schools do their job, not just make paper nurses who can pass the NCLEX-RN on the first try.
Much of nursing coursework is just rote memorization. Hours and hours of it. What I learned about nursing from nursing school is that I probably hate the whole culture of it and I'll never go back, lol.
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