Retirees moving to Washington (Seattle, Lynnwood: buses, train, design)

[StealthRabbit]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

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[Diana Holbrook]

Originally Posted by CalWorth

You missed my point. A lifted redneck truck has no purpose in a limited-space area like Seattle. Stick with your pricey Teslas & Rivians. Also, drivers in Seattle are insane. I see at least 2 wrecks every time I am there. Seattle drivers make LA drivers look like grannies.

Well, perhaps the truck you saw also only needs to go to Seattle once in a while and can't afford another vehicle just for the occasional city trip. That would be us! We hate trying to park in the town and our truck isn't even a really big one.

[wolfdog]

If your car(s) are old enough, drop the collision/comp?

[Hemlock140]

Originally Posted by CalWorth

You missed my point. A lifted redneck truck has no purpose in a limited-space area like Seattle. Stick with your pricey Teslas & Rivians. Also, drivers in Seattle are insane. I see at least 2 wrecks every time I am there. Seattle drivers make LA drivers look like grannies.

I live in Sammamish WA but work in Seattle. In the parking garage the clearance is 6'7" and my F150 4x4 is 6'3" but the clearance bar is sloped so I hit it every time I go in. There are some garages that it would not fit in, but if I needed to go to one of those for some reason would take my wife's Outback. Normally I would never go into Seattle on the days I don't go into the office (2 days a week). On the eastside there are many of us with pickups, on my street alone about every other house has one, and several of us have travel trailer.
I would never take that into Seattle either, the city itself is anti-car and they are trying to make it more so all the time, with talk of car-free zones. There are plenty of great places to retire in Washington but Seattle is not one of them. Looking for lower cost housing, lower property tax, and lower insurance costs means getting out farther from the crime, traffic, and uninsured motorists that are in King County.

[jabogitlu]

The city isn't anti-car. We just built a multi-BILLION dollar tunnel and guess what's inside it? Only lanes for vehicles. We then took the real estate that was previously a double-stack freeway (AGAIN, FOR CARS) and what did we built in the right-of-way? A new 4-to-6 lane surface street designed expressly to funnel cars to and through our otherwise beautiful waterfront district. And our most visited tourist district (Pike Place Market) is famously pro-car, and refuses to cede Pike Place for redevelopment into a pedestrian right-of-way, despite around 10 MILLION people walking around the market every year.

All of our major streets (Denny, Boren, Rainier, Jackson, 23rd, 45th, 85th, Market, 15th.....) are designed for maximum vehicular throughput with little to no concession on how these streets impact area residents or people on foot, bike, or folks who can't drive like children, the elderly, or the disabled.

Sorry, but your comment hits me as just flat out, no nonsense incorrect when we see many people on foot who are struck by cars every month in the city and pretty much no street that has been successfully converted to a driver-free zone.

[CalWorth]

Originally Posted by Hemlock140

I live in Sammamish WA but work in Seattle. In the parking garage the clearance is 6'7" and my F150 4x4 is 6'3" but the clearance bar is sloped so I hit it every time I go in. There are some garages that it would not fit in, but if I needed to go to one of those for some reason would take my wife's Outback. Normally I would never go into Seattle on the days I don't go into the office (2 days a week). On the eastside there are many of us with pickups, on my street alone about every other house has one, and several of us have travel trailer.
I would never take that into Seattle either, the city itself is anti-car and they are trying to make it more so all the time, with talk of car-free zones. There are plenty of great places to retire in Washington but Seattle is not one of them. Looking for lower cost housing, lower property tax, and lower insurance costs means getting out farther from the crime, traffic, and uninsured motorists that are in King County.

I have a lifted 4x4 vehicle as well, but, like you, I don't bring it into Seattle. I bring a small, high-mpg sedan instead. And I agree, Seattle has become anti-car.

I don't get the anti-car thing. I see some kind of mass transit train sitting on elevated tracks around the Northgate area of Seattle. It's visible from I-5. The trains never seem to move. I also look inside the huge, articulated busses on the streets around Swedish, they are never full. I also notice that the busses on the freeways are never full. And the freeways are always jammed. This tells me that Seattle residents aren't utilizing their public transportation, for whatever reason. Therefore, I don't get how Seattle & environs can be anti-car, no one is riding the bus or train.

[CalWorth]

Originally Posted by jabogitlu

The city isn't anti-car. We just built a multi-BILLION dollar tunnel and guess what's inside it? Only lanes for vehicles. We then took the real estate that was previously a double-stack freeway (AGAIN, FOR CARS) and what did we built in the right-of-way? A new 4-to-6 lane surface street designed expressly to funnel cars to and through our otherwise beautiful waterfront district. And our most visited tourist district (Pike Place Market) is famously pro-car, and refuses to cede Pike Place for redevelopment into a pedestrian right-of-way, despite around 10 MILLION people walking around the market every year.

All of our major streets (Denny, Boren, Rainier, Jackson, 23rd, 45th, 85th, Market, 15th.....) are designed for maximum vehicular throughput with little to no concession on how these streets impact area residents or people on foot, bike, or folks who can't drive like children, the elderly, or the disabled.

Sorry, but your comment hits me as just flat out, no nonsense incorrect when we see many people on foot who are struck by cars every month in the city and pretty much no street that has been successfully converted to a driver-free zone.

I've read your comments regarding how much you love density, so I don't understand why you're commenting here.

[jabogitlu]

I'm commenting here because this is America. So now that that's answered, Seattle is very far from anti-car. The city's transportation planning and spending is controlled by all kinds of vehicle-oriented interests, most notably the Port-industrial axis which is a bunch of old white men literally crying and melting down if a bike lane is even MENTIONED anywhere near their properties.

The community tried to get the city to close the area around Melrose Market to cars, but the city was unable to understand this concept at even the most basic level, to the point that the entire block was only sort of redesigned, and is now super dangerous to cars, bikes, AND pedestrians, all because the city loves cars and single-occupancy driving trips so damn much, they couldn't even close one block of one street in a city with tens of thousands of blocks.

Your own story (that "no one" is in the busses, no Seattleites take transit, etc. whatever BS you just spouted out) would point to the fact that people here love cars and love driving. LOL. Are ya'll even thinking about what you say today?

If you want anti-car, you'll have to look towards parts of Europe, or perhaps now lower Manhattan with its congestion pricing.

[CalWorth]

^^Actually, this is not "America". This is the United States of America. There are 2 continents that are America, one is North and one is South. Don't schools teach that anymore?

And what is your comment about "old white men"? Racist much? Why are you bringing up race? Are y'all (correct way to phrase it) even thinking about what you say today?

[Hemlock140]

Actually, of 5 the elected leaders of the Port only two are white men. Examples of the city anti-car work (road diets) below.

https://walkinginseattle.org/?tag=road-diet

https://www.seattle.gov/documents/de...afterfinal.pdf

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ing-on-a-diet/

https://seattletransitblog.com/2015/...hwest-view-16/