SC #1 for 2023 population growth rate (Charleston, North Charleston: high crime, college, living in)

[LakeMan45]

Lower corporate tax rates and right to work laws aren't fiscal liberalism. Boeing wouldn't have come to Charleston if SC wasn't a right to work state. Union supporters in DC tried to block Boeing's move to SC. Some people don't want to give credit to conservatism for the growth in the state.

When SC was a poorer state in the FDR days, it voted nearly 100% for FDR who was economically / fiscally liberal. SC was an exclusivist state at that point. The exclusivists loved FDR.

SC is one of the most inclusive states because it has a heartbeat bill. Support for heartbill bills is based on the idea everybody counts. Labeling some people with heartbeats and other proofs of life subhuman because they have not yet been born is an example of being exclusive.

[Ledmonkey]

Originally Posted by LakeMan45

Conservatism is rooted in civil rights. That's part of the reason many people move here.

ow.... hurt myself laughing at this.

[LakeMan45]

Who has the civil rights position on covid policy, taxes, gun rights, abortion, right to work, health insurance options, women having their own spaces and sports, school choice, etc?

Part of the growth in SC is people leaving the blue states with draconian covid policy, high taxes, strict gun laws, forced unionization, etc.

People shouldn't be leaving California for southern states if southern states have less civil rights. You can't make a weather argument because California's weather is unbeatable in the US.

During covid, the criticism was conservatives are for maximum freedom as though deciding what to put on your face and in your body is some kind of extreme abuse of freedom rather than an obvious basic civil right.

[Charlestondata]

It’s just that people love to eat.

Charleston the #2 city in the nation for food lovers
That’s because Charleston ranks No. 2 on a list of the nation’s best places for food lovers.

Read more at: https://www.thestate.com/news/state/...#storylink=cpy

[LakeMan45]

I can't see food being a reason for people living in big cities to move to Charleston. Every city has restaurants.

[LakeMan45]

People seem to forget the controversy regarding Boeing's decision to move the plant to Charleston and SC's right to work law being a major factor in their decision given Boeing's battles with unions in Washington state.

https://www.aviationpros.com/home/ne...t-to-work-laws

I believe Boeing is the first or second largest private sector employer in the state. Boeing employs approx 5000 more employees than Charleston's second largest private sector company, Mercedes Benz.

Much of Charleston and SC's subsequent econ development has been due to Boeing being located in SC. That's why i was surprised to see the assertion economic liberalism is the reason for SC's growth.

Right to work is a basic civil right based on the idea an employee should have the right to negoitiate his compensation directly with his employer and there should be no mandatory requirement to join a union to get a job. Right to work laws attract both employers and employees.

[Charlestondata]

Originally Posted by LakeMan45

I can't see food being a reason for people living in big cities to move to Charleston. Every city has restaurants.

I was kidding. At the same time, not every city lands on “best food cities” lists as consistently as others.

[Charlestondata]

Originally Posted by LakeMan45

People seem to forget the controversy regarding Boeing's decision to move the plant to Charleston and SC's right to work law being a major factor in their decision given Boeing's battles with unions in Washington state.

https://www.aviationpros.com/home/ne...t-to-work-laws

I believe Boeing is the first or second largest private sector employer in the state. Boeing employs approx 5000 more employees than Charleston's second largest private sector company, Mercedes Benz.

Much of Charleston and SC's subsequent econ development has been due to Boeing being located in SC. That's why i was surprised to see the assertion economic liberalism is the reason for SC's growth.

Right to work is a basic civil right based on the idea an employee should have the right to negoitiate his compensation directly with his employer and there should be no mandatory requirement to join a union to get a job. Right to work laws attract both employers and employees.

Having that right sounds good. And corporations love not having an organization breathing down their making sure they don’t exploit their manpower.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by LakeMan45

That's why i was surprised to see the assertion economic liberalism is the reason for SC's growth.

Nobody asserted that.

[LakeMan45]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

And historically, the exclusivist character of social conservatism in the South allowed for a full embrace of economic liberalism; one might even say the former made the latter the only viable option. It's no coincidence that the modern era of economic development incentive programs began in the aftermath of the Depression among Southern states with Mississippi leading the way. And now it's more or less ubiquitous across all states, even though it's no secret that the ROI is questionable at best for the most part. But hey, political expediency and whatnot.

You seem to imply SC did a full embrace of ecomonic liberalism, and did that embrace because of social conservatism being exclusive in your view.

I'm not sure if you can say a state giving tax incentives to a corporation to bring jobs to the state is conservative or liberal. A tax incentive is a tax cut essentially , reducing taxes is part of conservatism.

Companies that get the tax breaks to come here pay the state more taxes than the state would have received otherwise, and their employees pay the state more taxes. Manufacturers have the highest paying jobs for people who don't have a college education. Giving a big employer like Boeing tax incentivies is good if the goal is to lower unemployment among current SC residents.

There is a difference between tax incentives to attract industry and corporate welfare. Corporate welfare is when we are shoveling money at unprofitable companies in favored industries like green energy. Proterra in Greer is an example of that. It went bankrupt despite massive federal subsidies. There is no reason to believe their buses made any difference regarding the climate given people still talk about climate as a problem.

To get a large company like Boeing to relocate production to SC, the state first had to have general business friendly policy which includes right to work laws. Every state can and would offer tax breaks to a large employer like Boeing and most of them have more money than SC. I do believe the state offerred Boeing bigger breaks to get Boeing to locate in Charleston specifically. Boing may have come to a different part of the state with more affordable land and less hurricane risk for less tax incentives.

The state wanted Boeing to do for Charleston what BMW did for Greenville-Spartanburg. That seems to have worked if CharlestonData is right about Charleston having more new jobs than the rest of the state combined.