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SC was probably in the 6-10 range in population growth prior to covid. Now it is #1.
I had anticipated SC's population growth would drop to 15-20 range at best due to the combination of covid deaths, restrictionists moving out, and restrictionists considering SC choosing to relocate elsewhere. People had always said SC is one of the most obese states so it made sense covid deaths would be higher per capita.
It is weird to think covid may have been the best catalyst for population growth in SC in its history. SC is like a flower that hangs tough and becomes more beautiful as hot liquid magma flows around it after a volcano erupts.
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Wrong. There are gobs of parcels and plenty of land to build on the upper peninsula along the spine where the ground is highest. There’s no reason the only way towns the size of St. George can grow is by suburban design and development. Manhattan was once rural. Queens, the Bronx, Brooklyn and Staten Island, too. They don’t have a southern metro sprawl design. We don’t have to keep designing and building that way either. BTW, Mount Pleasant has severely restricted the construction of more housing. I guess they believe Awendaw needs sprawl and thousands more people. The Charleston part of West Ashley has gobs of room to grow as well, and it needs to get more urban.
I don't see what the problem is with suburbs. It is houses, retail, daily living stuff like oil change places.
The NYC metro is the biggest urban sprawl in the country. The notion there are no suburbs up there is strange.
Who wants Charleston to have a bunch of skyscrapers? In Boston, they put up skyscrapers right next to the historic places. It's kind of depressing.
I don't see what the problem is with suburbs. It is houses, retail, daily living stuff like oil change places.
The NYC metro is the biggest urban sprawl in the country. The notion there are no suburbs up there is strange.
Who wants Charleston to have a bunch of skyscrapers? In Boston, they put up skyscrapers right next to the historic places. It's kind of depressing.
The issue with suburbs is that they are an inefficient use of space that gives you room at the cost of traffic so that you can actually get to where you work.
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There's no law forcing you to live in a suburb. If you live in the city, you won't have to worry about what goes on in the burbs.
In many cases, suburbs grew because they are next to manufacturing plants. That certainly is the case with Simpsonville. Living in a burb doesn't automatically mean you are dealing with excessive traffic.
Sometimes city people seem to think everybody in the burbs works in the downtown area.
There's no law forcing you to live in a suburb. If you live in the city, you won't have to worry about what goes on in the burbs.
In many cases, suburbs grew because they are next to manufacturing plants. That certainly is the case with Simpsonville. Living in a burb doesn't automatically mean you are dealing with excessive traffic.
Sometimes city people seem to think everybody in the burbs works in the downtown area.
At one point I was wondering if SC numbers would continue to climb in a remote work environment. If people can move and work remotely, that may continue to favor SC (or parts of it) because of the lower cost of living, whether you chose to live in a city, suburb, exurbia, or rural area. Some sectors are trying to bring people back into the offices for several days a week.. pressured by either real estate investment/lease space or by politicos wanting to bring back retail activity that supported full office buildings. Lets see how that works as some people may choose to change jobs or find other opportunities. I know quite a few people who do want to come into the office for various reasons as opposed to being 100 percent remote but I dont know if it will get back to the pre covid numbers now that some many people have transitioned to tele or remote work...
I dont know about Charleston but traffic in many of the places I frequent as actually gotten worse since the pandemic. Now people are working all types of varied/flexible schedules traffic seems bad throughout the day not just during rush hour .
More of this. Less of the typical sprawling southern metro suburban development pattern.
“LANDRUM — The new Claiborne development, within walking distance of downtown Landrum, is scheduled to be complete by 2026.
“It’s the first subdivision being built in the city in 20 years. Like most areas in Spartanburg County, the city is experiencing growth, so the need for new affordable housing is on the rise.”
I don't see what the problem is with suburbs. It is houses, retail, daily living stuff like oil change places.
The NYC metro is the biggest urban sprawl in the country. The notion there are no suburbs up there is strange.
Who wants Charleston to have a bunch of skyscrapers? In Boston, they put up skyscrapers right next to the historic places. It's kind of depressing.
Putting words in my mouth. By definition and by design, “urban sprawl” is an oxymoron. Urban design doesn’t sprawl. It is dense and contiguous. NYC’s metro has suburban sprawl, but not nearly in the same proportions that southern metros have it.
No one said they wanted Charleston to have a bunch of skyscrapers, but on the upper middle part of the peninsula, taller buildings with a lot more housing units per acre are coming, on the existing street grid and on new street grids that will be contiguous to existing street grids. That is the way to grow. The result is more preserved land where people who want to live in the country or already live there don’t have to resign themselves to eventually being run over by big-box suburbia or utopia-type housing developments with fake-looking downtowns.
More of this. Less of the typical sprawling southern metro suburban development pattern.
“LANDRUM — The new Claiborne development, within walking distance of downtown Landrum, is scheduled to be complete by 2026.
“It’s the first subdivision being built in the city in 20 years. Like most areas in Spartanburg County, the city is experiencing growth, so the need for new affordable housing is on the rise.”
Not exactly sure what makes this so different? No mention in the proposal for affordable housing. In fact, the article specifically states "The square footage of the homes will be between 1,800 and 3,010 square feet. The homes will be market rate with no subsidized or low-cost housing."
Not exactly sure what makes this so different? No mention in the proposal for affordable housing. In fact, the article specifically states "The square footage of the homes will be between 1,800 and 3,010 square feet. The homes will be market rate with no subsidized or low-cost housing."
I was speaking only of design. Maybe Landrum has taken advantage of programs for attainable housing elsewhere. On that note, I’m glad to see Charleston will be mixing housing up for all income levels in its new developments downtown. About 300 or so public housing apartments will be replaced by about 1,100 housing units that will have a mix of rental price points. Current residents will get the first look.
There's no law forcing you to live in a suburb. If you live in the city, you won't have to worry about what goes on in the burbs.
In many cases, suburbs grew because they are next to manufacturing plants. That certainly is the case with Simpsonville. Living in a burb doesn't automatically mean you are dealing with excessive traffic.
Sometimes city people seem to think everybody in the burbs works in the downtown area.
It’s the law of affordability. If there’s no housing in one’s budget in the city even without a car, first things first - get a roof over one’s head, then find a job, then get transportation or use public transportation or a ride from a family member or friend to get to the job.
The lack of affordability in the city has resulted from not having anywhere near enough units for the rents to moderate. Thankfully, Greenville, Richland and Charleston counties have started giving the same level of tax breaks to housing developers for including low- to moderate-income units in their developments as they have been giving companies for the promise of a certain number of jobs.
I don’t know what took so long. How can companies get workers if they’d have to spend upward of four hours a day commuting because suburban traffic is in their way, not to mention gas and wear and tear on their vehicles?
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