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Old 04-01-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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Matthew 18:25: "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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Bible, like any scriptures, were written by people in ancient times with outdated human ancient knowledge. Moral standards, like any societal behavioral norms, subject to time and location differences.

Religious followers are brainwashed. They pray, bang their heads on the ground, and are incapable of using their heads
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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I'll hijack this thread no longer. None of the NT passages encourage slavery.
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:50 AM
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I'll hijack this thread no longer. None of the NT passages encourage slavery.
What did you do cover your eyes when I posted them?
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Old 04-02-2010, 01:20 AM
 
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But where does it say slavery is moral?
Why does your NT say "Slave, obey your master." and not "Master, free your slave." No change from the OT.
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Old 04-02-2010, 06:35 AM
 
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That passage merely indicates that slavery existed at the time. It in no way says slavery is encouraged.
Kind of like when the Bible says to love God with all your heart, it's really just indicating that some people did love God at the time, not that loving god is encouraged by Christians. Makes perfect sense
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Old 04-03-2010, 06:01 AM
 
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Religion is said to be the source of "moral values and worldview". Then, how exactly did religion obtain such "moral values and worldview"?

-snip the remaining guff- .
'Religion' did acquire it...PEOPLE are infused with the Moral Law (moral oughtness/moral conscience) and everyone on earth knows intrinsically that for our personal existence and Cosmos it requires a personal entity behind it...unless you think the faces of Mt.Rushmore could be assembled without intelligent intervention and be caused solely from rain, sun, mud, time, and chance. Many people choose to willfully suppress their Moral Conscience so they can obtain maximum control, pleasure, ownership over their own life thru any lifestyle choice they want --- the quickest way to this end is just to pretend that no personal Creator is there, is needed, and he doesnt care what we do . Its made to be all about ME ME ME instead of the marvelous Creator which is above everything and worthy of ones praise and submission to himself and his moral mandates as found in the instruction book to mankind, The Bible. But that too, is offensive to the person who has to have his own way which always involves some degree of immoral pursuits. There you have it in a nutshell, and if you want to be wise and without regret, choose God and forsake Self.
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Old 04-03-2010, 07:06 AM
 
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Why does your NT say "Slave, obey your master." and not "Master, free your slave." No change from the OT.
Tell us kevxu, is slavery right or is slavery wrong?

It's very interesting to see such moral judgments being handed down by people that have no basis for making any moral judgments at all.
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Old 04-03-2010, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Tell us kevxu, is slavery right or is slavery wrong?

It's very interesting to see such moral judgments being handed down by people that have no basis for making any moral judgments at all.
I assume you think that your 'basis' for moral judgements comes from the christian god. It therefore follows that you find the practice of slavery to be moral and should be encouraged since the bible encourages it and says it's moral. The flaw in your argument is that you probably find slavery to be immoral which says that your basis for moral judgements doesn't come from your religious beliefs. It in fact comes from the same place that atheists do. It's your concience.
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Old 04-03-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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I assume you think that your 'basis' for moral judgements comes from the christian god. It therefore follows that you find the practice of slavery to be moral and should be encouraged since the bible encourages it and says it's moral. The flaw in your argument is that you probably find slavery to be immoral which says that your basis for moral judgements doesn't come from your religious beliefs. It in fact comes from the same place that atheists do. It's your concience.
So you would then freely admit that you, as an atheist, have no basis for making a moral judgment?

In other words, it's all relative? No one person, state or societies view of morality is any better than the moral view of any other person, state or society?
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