Gary Olsen's "Master Path" - anybody familiar? (evolution, cult, heaven)
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I didn't ask if you cared, I simply thought that you should be honest about your issues and concerns
You are 'against' a whole range of spiritual/religious beliefs/practices. I guess a swag would be there are about 2-3Billion people in the world, a rough estimate, that follow the types of beliefs you are against.
We could take everything you said and cut/paste it into a few hundred small and large religious traditions and paths.
Thats all, have all the voice you want, but be honest about the real roots of your beliefs and feeling on the matter, which apparently have nothing to do with MP specifically.
And by the way, lets not pull the 'other voice' routine, you flatly called be names, a liar or a deluded fool was about what you left for me. Thats not some honorable 'other voice' as you seem to try and project, thats pretty dismissive, insulting, slanderous kind of behavior, dont you think?
Nuance of characterization seems to be missing from your mental pontification and vernacular. A good student only means a person who is buying what MP is selling.
You have done a better job discouraging people from joining Masterpath than I ever could. You shove your viewpoint down people’s throats as though the more you defend your own belief system, the more real it is or something.
You have been on the MP for 3 years, and according to their automated system of hierarchy, that makes you a second initiate. The initiation where the “Radiant Form of the Master stations itself at the third eye of the chela,” and other such malarkey. Hey by the way, you can buy the “Eck Vidya ?)” from Eckankar and get a jump-start study of future initiations: you know those sacred rites of evolving spiritual progress on the Masterpath that so closely parallels Eckankar. You might even be lucky and land on verbatim sections.
I don’t know, but I know this: I never felt a need to defend my decision to follow MasterPath.
A lot of your ‘critical thinking skills’ seem to be backed up by a ‘second generation chela of 9 yrs.’ I know there are parents who have raised their children to relate to MP and Gary Olsen as the real deal, the Word made Flesh, the Emissary of the Light and Sound Teachings, a Swateh Saint: natural born, and all the rest. So what. Every religion has its myths of fanciful tales.
As far as I’m concerned MP is nothing but a mind trip, or in the words of Jon Stewart: “a clusterf*$k.
I’m also not interested in a battle of wits. But you seem to miss the irony in the story. It’s because I did not worship Gary’s personality that I am no longer a student of the MP.
But you sure go the distance in defending that which you do not know. That type of fanaticism seems to go hand in glove with most religious zealots.
And last, your superficial understanding of other people and their experience will serve you quite well on the MP. So again, best wishes.
But there is really no point in discussing this further. I’m not really into the type of mental masturbation that you appear to enjoy. And last, whatever you think you are seeing that I may not be seeing....why don't you just take your viewpoint and make it a mirror to see your own reflection.
The Master Path is actually little more than a rip-off of another Neo-Eastern “cult” called Eckankar. Much of Olsen’s writings were plagiarized from the earlier works of Eckankar founder Paul Twitchell. Members of the Master Path meditate on Olsen’s image and seemingly become infatuated with him and dependent upon the group. Sure sounds like a cult to me.
people hang pictures & statues of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, etc. in their homes :
Well, yup this is true, and, there are also those with better taste who hang pictures of Elvis, Jimmy Hendrix, and/or Roy Buchanan who don't encourage tithes.
I clearly stated that my problem is with organized religions, not the individuals.
Yes you did, in a qualified way, but sure I'll agree with that
I didn't mean to imply that you had issues with a couple Billion people
My point was that you have issues with a broad range of religious and spiritual path that represent the belief systems and practices of a couple Billion people.
Are you saying that isnt true? Your not just against MP, your against a whole range of guru lead, organized religions, etc.
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If you espouse a sham cult like that, you deserve any derision heaped upon you by any one that has a right to type.
Oh please derisionist me away.
The observation that such derision is so fundemental to your point - well it's telling, thats all.
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I am confident in my beliefs, I just want to point out the charlatans.
Ok, thats fair, but you forgot a step. You Just want to first 'judge' then condemn or point out
Yes I am a fool, I agree - but hey we all have our burdens
Wow, you give me to much credit. So offering my side and challenging you is ramming my beliefs down your throat? You seem like a smarter guy than that. Was the point of coming to a discussion board to not have a discussion? Is the point I should let you have the last word else I am shoving?
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Nuance of characterization seems to be missing from your mental pontification and vernacular. A good student only means a person who is buying what MP is selling.
Yes much smarter then me, I could never been that clever in insulting someone.
Do you really think I sound defensive? I mean I can see aggresive, I can see offensive, but defensive? Ok, but for the record I'm not feeling defensive at all. I am not trying to convince anyone or even sell anything. I don't even think it matters to me if more or less people find their way to MP
Just offering my opinion, experiences, and responding to personal attacks, emotional arguments with no facts, things like that
As an aside, I happen to like masturbation, it is a form of relief and sorta maintenance.
So your point about people seeing Gary as God incarnate, that wasn't you? That was other people you knew, friends and stuff? But not you?
So you had a long history many years worth of conflict/disagreement or tension with Gary?
I am not a 2cd initiate, I expect that will happen in Sept. Unless you mean on the inner and not the outer. And its not automatic, it has to be requested.
I notice that you call some of the basic of Light and Sound, the inner master, third eye thing, hogwash and stuff? So your sorta dumping on the whole spiritual metaphysics of L&S, Shabd yoga, etc? Do you feel the same on the Ani Grath and those cousins? I mean the radiant form, inner master, and all that, are they MP exclusive - in my ignorance I thought those aspects were common.
So you never experienced these inner events? Is that what your saying? In all those years you never had any of the experiences people discuss as markers, common, etc? Did you fake it? Lie to yourself in order to fit in?
If I hadn't been seeing results already I don't know if I would be going forth. So I guess i am sorta interested in how a long term chela stays with it without such growth, experiences etc.
The Master Path is actually little more than a rip-off of another Neo-Eastern “cult” called Eckankar. Much of Olsen’s writings were plagiarized from the earlier works of Eckankar founder Paul Twitchell.
I would really like to see the case for that? I hear the accusation being made but with hours of internet searches a couple years back, all I came up with is these points:
- Eckankar has never sued/accused brought any action against MP for copyright or plagerism -I don't think th=ey would allow just blatant rip offs.
- Eckankar and MP have common roots, or draw from the same basic sources of Light & Sound teachings from India.
- So One would expect to find commonality in wittings, metaphysics, etc.
So what I conclude at this point, with data and facts, is that MP never plagerized any of Twitchell's specific writings, and that any commonality in the works go back to the original sources of both.
Evidence to MP taking directly from Twitchell or Eck would be appreciated.
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Members of the Master Path meditate on Olsen’s image and seemingly become infatuated with him and dependent upon the group. Sure sounds like a cult to me.
Basically thats not true,
If I explain the facts, or offer a broader perspective, will you feel like I am shoving things down your throat or do you care more for truth?
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