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View Poll Results: Would you like to live in a world without evil
Yes 17 73.91%
No 6 26.09%
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Old 04-23-2024, 08:33 AM
 
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Yes....

Now, would this perfect world also include me not being cold all the time, my husband lowering the thermostat and then claiming its my fault for eating a "calorie deficit diet" by being a vegetarian somehow causing me to be cold....then when I give him a look he compliments me for being "classy by staying fit".....its torturous.

In all seriousness...it would be nice for "temperature" to not exist...
My wife is always feeling colder than I am and/or I am always feeling warmer than most people around me. My wife is also a vegetarian and also "classy" as you describe. I appreciate that too.

Fortunately where we live is never too hot or too cold, which is really good for me because just a little too warm and I start to feel sticky. My wife and I both don't care for the cold much. If it gets below 60 here we start to complain. As for no temperature to exist, however, that'd be something like going without the seasons. Sometimes the extremes help us better appreciate what we otherwise tend to take for granted.
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Old 04-23-2024, 11:19 AM
 
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Your conclusion relies on your premise being true. What if it is not? What if evil and good exists outside of your mind?
It was rhetorical. Evil and good are judgements that exist in the mind. Scientists who examine the world do not speak in terms of evil and good because there is no evidence of such. Why would atheists?
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Old 04-23-2024, 11:20 AM
 
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It was rhetorical. Evil and good are judgements that exist in the mind. Scientists who examine the world do not speak in terms of evil and good because there is no evidence of such. Why would atheists?
First of all, notice the drastic difference in the two terms: good versus evil.

Second, depends on how one is defining one or both terms.
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Old 04-23-2024, 12:04 PM
 
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First of all, notice the drastic difference in the two terms: good versus evil.

Second, depends on how one is defining one or both terms.
I notice the difference but don’t get the implication other than they are opposites. They are not entities that have an existence, there is no evidence of such. The judgement is in the mind alone.
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Old 04-23-2024, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I notice the difference but don’t get the implication other than they are opposites. They are not entities that have an existence, there is no evidence of such. The judgement is in the mind alone.
I'll give you two examples.

Let's say you're coming out of the grocery store and an older patron's grocery bag had split open. You walk buy and have two choices:

a. stop and help
b. continue on because you're going to be late to an appointment

Is stopping and helping "good". I assume you would say yes.
Is continuing on with what you're doing evil? Not nice. But evil?

I don't see them as antonyms.
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Old 04-23-2024, 12:35 PM
 
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I'll give you two examples.

Let's say you're coming out of the grocery store and an older patron's grocery bag had split open. You walk buy and have two choices:

a. stop and help
b. continue on because you're going to be late to an appointment

Is stopping and helping "good". I assume you would say yes.
Is continuing on with what you're doing evil? Not nice. But evil?

I don't see them as antonyms.
Ok. That is not the point of my post. Are you making a point regarding existence of good and evil as entities? There is no evidence of such.
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Old 04-23-2024, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Ok. That is not the point of my post. Are you making a point regarding existence of good and evil as entities? There is no evidence of such.
No, I am not. I am using descriptive terms with no mention of god or the devil or any such being.
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Old 04-23-2024, 11:32 PM
 
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It was rhetorical. Evil and good are judgements that exist in the mind. Scientists who examine the world do not speak in terms of evil and good because there is no evidence of such. Why would atheists?
Because 'evil' and 'good' describe actions that occur outside of the mind. So if you could eradicate the concept from your mind, all you would be doing is burying your head in the sand, not resolving (or running from) the actual problem.

This appears to be a common theme with your posts, where your spiritual journey to find your true self, a perfect other you that probably does not exist, ignores the reality of the world. It is an ironically egotistical desire that ignores that people are social animals, with different goals, abilities and needs.

It is ironic that a spiritual journey to kill the ego and remove desire is an egotistical desire.
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Old Yesterday, 01:51 AM
 
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Because 'evil' and 'good' describe actions that occur outside of the mind. So if you could eradicate the concept from your mind, all you would be doing is burying your head in the sand, not resolving (or running from) the actual problem.

This appears to be a common theme with your posts, where your spiritual journey to find your true self, a perfect other you that probably does not exist, ignores the reality of the world. It is an ironically egotistical desire that ignores that people are social animals, with different goals, abilities and needs.

It is ironic that a spiritual journey to kill the ego and remove desire is an egotistical desire.
describing an act as evil or good is judgement. judgement is in the mind. the mind is not always a reliable judge, it is limited by its own sickness, bias, ignorance. some of your statements above are good examples.
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Old Yesterday, 05:03 AM
 
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describing an act as evil or good is judgement. judgement is in the mind. the mind is not always a reliable judge, it is limited by its own sickness, bias, ignorance.
The fact that people getting hurt is usually a bad thing, and being made happy is good, are big clues. Perhaps to stop your sickness, bias and ignorance (as if you do not suffer the problems you assign to others ), you could try adding some logic to your spiritual path.

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some of your statements above are good examples.
Yet you have not explained why. Is it because I am in the metaphorical gold. <-- No question symbol, it is a rhetorical question.
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