Does Salvation Depend On What You Believe About Jesus? (translation, gospels, religious leader)
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You have never answered the question of how you knew that it was the "very consciousness of God". Honest question. Why do you believe it was him?
There was no opportunity for doubt or confusion. It was unmistakable which is why my atheism was instantly erased. There is no way to verbally describe the encounter or the "knowing" that accompanied it. I have tried many times and failed. But it was EXACTLY as Jesus is described and how HE presented HIMSELF in the Bible which is why I adopted Christianity.
There was no opportunity for doubt or confusion. It was unmistakable which is why my atheism was instantly erased. There is no way to verbally describe the encounter or the "knowing" that accompanied it. I have tried many times and failed. But it was EXACTLY as Jesus is described and how HE presented HIMSELF in the Bible which is why I adopted Christianity.
Is that description based on everything written about Jesus in the Bible?
Is that description based on everything written about Jesus in the Bible?
It is NOT based on our ancestors' INTERPRETATIONS of Jesus or God. It is based on their descriptions of what HE DID, especially during His scourging and crucifixion which should have brought out any wrath or vengeance in Him if it ever existed.
There was no opportunity for doubt or confusion. It was unmistakable which is why my atheism was instantly erased. There is no way to verbally describe the encounter or the "knowing" that accompanied it. I have tried many times and failed. But it was EXACTLY as Jesus is described and how HE presented HIMSELF in the Bible which is why I adopted Christianity.
I wonder how many different people in the history of the world have had completely different visions in your and very different religions. Very different, opposing visions can't all be right. There is no reason you should expect us to believe you.
I have told about a couple of my religious experiences in Thailand. No christian of any sort hopped on board believing my experience.
Is that description based on everything written about Jesus in the Bible?
That's an interesting question. AFAIK, there have been NO direct quotes by Jesus ever recorded. Everything that has been written about him has been hearsay, and some of it is even decades old or older. How, then, could Jesus present Himself in the Bible?
That's an interesting question. AFAIK, there have been NO direct quotes by Jesus ever recorded. Everything that has been written about him has been hearsay, and some of it is even decades old or older. How, then, could Jesus present Himself in the Bible?
He can present himself IN the words that inspired people to write them down. Even years later. It had apparently changed them. Imagine a time of gory vengeance, when an eye for an eye was the norm, to be taught to forgive. Turn the other cheek. Who would have thunk such a thing? Only Jesus.
It is NOT based on our ancestors' INTERPRETATIONS of Jesus or God. It is based on their descriptions of what HE DID, especially during His scourging and crucifixion which should have brought out any wrath or vengeance in Him if it ever existed.
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Originally Posted by Bungalove
That's an interesting question. AFAIK, there have been NO direct quotes by Jesus ever recorded. Everything that has been written about him has been hearsay, and some of it is even decades old or older. How, then, could Jesus present Himself in the Bible?
There is a big difference between just describing what someone DID and interpreting what someone said or why they did it. The former is far more likely to be accurate and less prone to miscommunication. Interpretation (especially WHY someone did what they did) is far more prone to misunderstanding.
Salvation from what?
Only about 60% of people believe in hell these days, and that includes Christians.
Still too many though.
Belief in God I can kinda truck with.
Belief in hell? Come on people. It's 2023, not the middle ages.
Salvation from what?
Only about 60% of people believe in hell these days, and that includes Christians.
Still too many though.
Belief in God I can kinda truck with. Belief in hell? Come on people. It's 2023, not the middle ages.
Like you, I am astounded that it has endured for over two millennia and counting!!! We are a perverse species indeed!
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