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Old 06-08-2023, 12:42 PM
 
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I agree with you relative to inanimate objects. I should have been more clear, as I was thinking of my feelings or opinions of people in my life.

Non attachment can be a virtue IMO.
Indifference, not so much.

To be Indifferent to a person, is IMO, worse than hatred.
I don't hate anyone I'm indifferent to. They are not significant enough to even have interest or opinion of.

Hatred requires an emotional investment, or attachment.

Yes.
I get your point.

 
Old 06-08-2023, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I dispute "hate and love as two sides of the same coin". They're two completely different "coins" to me.

I see no use, and have no use, for the hate coin. Put that shyte in the trash, and encourage that for everyone else.
Hate is really just disappointed love. You can't be upset with someone who fails or betrays or disappoints you unless you care that they live up to whatever ideal or expectation you projected upon them in the first place.

The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.

I do not hate god, or the concept of god; I am indifferent to them. They have no utility and no explanatory power. So that is not my "go to" when I'm trying to make sense of my life, make decisions, etc.

What love I have for my fellow man, if I'm not careful, becomes annoyance or even anger when they (inevitably) don't live up to my hopes for them.

So there's validity in the notion that one must care, but not have particular expectations. Expectations of, say, reciprocity, understanding, kindness even ... one can have boundaries and remove oneself from toxicity but Other People can in no way underpin your happiness or contentment. That has to come from within.
 
Old 06-08-2023, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Hate is really just disappointed love.
So if you hate to go to the dentist, that involved disappointed love?!?

If you hate to go on long car drives, there's disappointed love on the highway?

That doesn't add up.
 
Old 06-08-2023, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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So if you hate to go to the dentist, that involved disappointed love?!?

If you hate to go on long car drives, there's disappointed love on the highway?

That doesn't add up.
Because that's not really what hate is.
 
Old 06-08-2023, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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A calm and stable mind is obtained by decreasing our subjectivity, such as judgements and emotions of hate, revenge, and increasing our objective detachment to objects of perception - people, situations, things.
All you had to do is say we should all become Vulcans.

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Hatred requires an emotional investment, or attachment.
So does love. What of it?
 
Old 06-08-2023, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Because that's not really what hate is.
I suppose you could "hate" pain (Dentist), or "hate" prolonged monotony (long car rides)but it would be a lot better to just to dread pain and be annoyed by monotony.

The only thing that should be truly "hated" is three bean salad.
 
Old 06-09-2023, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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Oh really? That's news to me. LOL

You're a hoot, and completely full of it. SO much nonsense. Good luck getting through life.
Yes I'm a regular hoot. Full of what? Truth? Yep, I do speak a lot of that. Sometimes, the truth hurts. No nonsense, that's what bothers you. Thanks, I've pretty much run out of life, so you can take some comfort in knowing I've had a rough one. But, I'm still here, being a hoot.
 
Old 06-09-2023, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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The only thing that should be truly "hated" is three bean salad.
 
Old 06-09-2023, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Adirondack Mountains, Upstate NY
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The only thing that should be truly "hated" is three bean salad.
I like three bean salad.

On the other hand I have a strong dislike for ockra.
 
Old 06-09-2023, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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So if you hate to go to the dentist, that involved disappointed love?!?

If you hate to go on long car drives, there's disappointed love on the highway?

That doesn't add up.
Of course it doesn't, if you have no concept of different usages and definitions of a word. I am not talking about a dislike or aversion.
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