Peace, and Goodwill to All Men (Jehovahs, translation, church, atheist)
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After Christmas and at the start of the New Year, it seems appropriate to consider what we say at Christmas and how it has an impact on how we believe what we do. How CAN we call ourselves (insert your belief-system here) when we exclude others from our thoughts and prayers for their good? It seems really hypocritical to be celebrating Christmas when we only include other Christians like us and actively exclude other people from other faiths and religions.
The other thread about Desiderata is a really good example of division generated by religion. There are people on there who criticise the wording when the general message is to be kind and respectful to everyone - regardless of belief.
As far as I can see, the text is inclusive of every religion (regardless of what each-of-us-may-believe) and belief system and we may just need to consider how we will have Peace, and Goodwill to All Men if we exclude all those who are of other beliefs?
So, come on, argue for your exclusivity and your place in Heaven.
WOW ! You have enlightened me for sure. I was not raised with religion. I had no idea that when people that believed in Christmas being Christs B-Day , and the Bible and all that , that they only wanted good for their kind, and did not wish everyone peace , but only people that believe like them.
I was taught whatever anyone wants to believe in that makes them good to others , and happy , striving everyday to be better IS A GOOD THING. I was not taught to put others down to try to look better , smarter, superior. That is what I see in religion. I don't see to many people running around doing good deeds. Their is a special bunch of truly good people I love and they know who they are !! BE SAFE OUT THERE! Volunteering is wonderful and as always it helps the volunteer far more than their volunteer work. Not that is why we do it , it is just the magic we discover once we volunteer. Like when we realize DANG IT REALLY IS MORE FUN TO GIVE THAN TO RECIEVE.
I will have to say , I don't feel anyone that is reasonably intelligent , and are not hypocrites and phoneys, do mean to be wishing ALL MANKIND world Peace and Happiness. OR WHIRLED PEAS.
If not eewww, i will have less respect for humans than I already do.
After Christmas and at the start of the New Year, it seems appropriate to consider what we say at Christmas and how it has an impact on how we believe what we do. How CAN we call ourselves (insert your belief-system here) when we exclude others from our thoughts and prayers for their good? It seems really hypocritical to be celebrating Christmas when we only include other Christians like us and actively exclude other people from other faiths and religions.
The other thread about Desiderata is a really good example of division generated by religion. There are people on there who criticise the wording when the general message is to be kind and respectful to everyone - regardless of belief.
As far as I can see, the text is inclusive of every religion (regardless of what each-of-us-may-believe) and belief system and we may just need to consider how we will have Peace, and Goodwill to All Men if we exclude all those who are of other beliefs?
So, come on, argue for your exclusivity and your place in Heaven.
Even if those different religions teach different things and different gods? You think they are all somehow in agreement?
Even on this point alone, it shows we are not all in agreement.
After Christmas and at the start of the New Year, it seems appropriate to consider what we say at Christmas and how it has an impact on how we believe what we do. How CAN we call ourselves (insert your belief-system here) when we exclude others from our thoughts and prayers for their good? It seems really hypocritical to be celebrating Christmas when we only include other Christians like us and actively exclude other people from other faiths and religions.
After Christmas and at the start of the New Year, it seems appropriate to consider what we say at Christmas and how it has an impact on how we believe what we do. How CAN we call ourselves (insert your belief-system here) when we exclude others from our thoughts and prayers for their good? It seems really hypocritical to be celebrating Christmas when we only include other Christians like us and actively exclude other people from other faiths and religions.
The other thread about Desiderata is a really good example of division generated by religion. There are people on there who criticise the wording when the general message is to be kind and respectful to everyone - regardless of belief.
As far as I can see, the text is inclusive of every religion (regardless of what each-of-us-may-believe) and belief system and we may just need to consider how we will have Peace, and Goodwill to All Men if we exclude all those who are of other beliefs?
So, come on, argue for your exclusivity and your place in Heaven.
Unfortunately the original is exclusive. From the Berean literal translation - "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased!"
After Christmas and at the start of the New Year, it seems appropriate to consider what we say at Christmas and how it has an impact on how we believe what we do. How CAN we call ourselves (insert your belief-system here) when we exclude others from our thoughts and prayers for their good? It seems really hypocritical to be celebrating Christmas when we only include other Christians like us and actively exclude other people from other faiths and religions.
The other thread about Desiderata is a really good example of division generated by religion. There are people on there who criticise the wording when the general message is to be kind and respectful to everyone - regardless of belief.
As far as I can see, the text is inclusive of every religion (regardless of what each-of-us-may-believe) and belief system and we may just need to consider how we will have Peace, and Goodwill to All Men if we exclude all those who are of other beliefs?
So, come on, argue for your exclusivity and your place in Heaven.
Why won't you let Christians have their beliefs in peace? Do you feel excluded by any Christian?
After Christmas and at the start of the New Year, it seems appropriate to consider what we say at Christmas and how it has an impact on how we believe what we do. How CAN we call ourselves (insert your belief-system here) when we exclude others from our thoughts and prayers for their good? It seems really hypocritical to be celebrating Christmas when we only include other Christians like us and actively exclude other people from other faiths and religions.
The other thread about Desiderata is a really good example of division generated by religion. There are people on there who criticise the wording when the general message is to be kind and respectful to everyone - regardless of belief.
As far as I can see, the text is inclusive of every religion (regardless of what each-of-us-may-believe) and belief system and we may just need to consider how we will have Peace, and Goodwill to All Men if we exclude all those who are of other beliefs?
So, come on, argue for your exclusivity and your place in Heaven.
Ramen brother!
Elitism isn't reserved for Christianity alone but it stinks wherever it rears its ugly head.
The point is, Christians go about singing carols and thinking the same kind of lovey-dovey thoughts in church when in reality they criticize and dont like Muslims, they dont like Jehovahs Witnesses, etc
But for all religions, not just Christian-bashing, there would be a lot less divisive attitudes and wars in the world if religions actually practiced what they preach. That was my point, maybe I didn't explain very well.
After all, there are some fairly fundamental, orthodox-thinking military men and politicians making decisions when we should go to war or not. If they were more lovey-dovey, and practiced their religious fundamentals then maybe there would be fewer wars, conflicts and more spending the money on people.
The point is, Christians go about singing carols and thinking the same kind of lovey-dovey thoughts in church when in reality they criticize and dont like Muslims, they dont like Jehovahs Witnesses, etc
But for all religions, not just Christian-bashing, there would be a lot less divisive attitudes and wars in the world if religions actually practiced what they preach. That was my point, maybe I didn't explain very well.
After all, there are some fairly fundamental, orthodox-thinking military men and politicians making decisions when we should go to war or not. If they were more lovey-dovey, and practiced their religious fundamentals then maybe there would be fewer wars, conflicts and more spending the money on people.
I think you explained yourself perfectly well.
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