Twenty-four Hours a Day Book (Updated Daily) (cult, behavior, religion)
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Yet you concur that the religious overtones are there.
There are secular programs that help. They are not as wide-spread as AA, nor are they as well known. But just because it is well known does not make it the go to.
One of the largest is the SMART recovery program. From their "About" page:
SMART is not just any mutual-support program. Our science-based approach emphasizes self-empowerment and self-reliance. There’s no lifetime commitment; you decide when the time is right to move on. You choose how to personalize your own plan for successful change. SMART can be used both as a stand-alone program or in combination with other recovery paths. SMART Recovery recognizes the only one who can become truly expert on your recovery is you.
Notice the difference of emphasis on who is in control. More importantly, it is science backed, not anecdotally backed like AA.
The program works under the theory that addiction is a bad habit that can be cured through evidence-based therapies like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. The program also uses the principles of motivational interviewing, using all of these therapeutic options to teach addiction sufferers how to recognize the causes of their addiction and how to change their behaviors through coping mechanisms.
Addictions are horrible things. It affects not only the individual, but their family and community. It behooves those looking for treatment to take the best available choice. Science backed always is that better choice.
Your negative attitude toward AA is only based in your bias against and hatred of Religion....not anything to do with how epic and prolific it has been in the treatment of Addiction.
The "Science based" treatment protocols typically involve administering substitute substances (buprenorphine, methadone, disulfiram, etc) to replace the substance addicted to, in Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT) programs.
You are still "hooked"...but on their "prescribed medicine". So you are now a "patient" instead of a drunk or a junkie.
This is the main reason they included Addiction to fall within the definition of "Disease"....because, once you can present yourself as a patient that suffers from a disease, insurance will cover the "treatment"....and the "corporate medical industry" will have someone to pay the tens of thousands for the treatment programs.
The "Science based" addiction treatment industry is there for itself, way more than the Addicts.
AA charges NOTHING...and endeavors to get the members free from all those substances. That is probative.
Yet you concur that the religious overtones are there.
There are secular programs that help. They are not as wide-spread as AA, nor are they as well known. But just because it is well known does not make it the go to.
One of the largest is the SMART recovery program. From their "About" page:
SMART is not just any mutual-support program. Our science-based approach emphasizes self-empowerment and self-reliance. There’s no lifetime commitment; you decide when the time is right to move on. You choose how to personalize your own plan for successful change. SMART can be used both as a stand-alone program or in combination with other recovery paths. SMART Recovery recognizes the only one who can become truly expert on your recovery is you.
Notice the difference of emphasis on who is in control. More importantly, it is science backed, not anecdotally backed like AA.
The program works under the theory that addiction is a bad habit that can be cured through evidence-based therapies like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. The program also uses the principles of motivational interviewing, using all of these therapeutic options to teach addiction sufferers how to recognize the causes of their addiction and how to change their behaviors through coping mechanisms.
Addictions are horrible things. It affects not only the individual, but their family and community. It behooves those looking for treatment to take the best available choice. Science backed always is that better choice.
Look, if atheists have a another viable and successful recovery system that keeps them sober all power to them. There is no need to fight over which is a better method. Science cannot cure addiction. Not yet. The combination of spirituality, ritualized 12 step program, journaling, service, human interaction with a sponsor, that AA has put together seems to work for a lot of people and I am thankful for that.
The book might have some good insight, but is limiting in that it keeps coming back to alcoholism rather than addiction in general - or even broader - as general resistances to God. If you're not an alcoholic, then you'll keep butting into something not relevant while trying to read thoughts that might actually be relevant. But for its focus, the book probably is important to select individuals, just not most here on this forum.
More yadda yadda yadda about an invisible imaginary entity required to keep sober.
I agree with your status: "The bible is the claim, not the proof". I would never have believed in God from the Bible itself. It's been purely from personal experience and interaction with him over several decades that I'm aware of his presence and existence.
More yadda yadda yadda about an invisible imaginary entity required to keep sober. What nonsense!
Like I said...in the 1st sentence of Post #31.
Your view is based in bias toward the majority that hold differing Beliefs...and the Beliefs themselves.
Meanwhile, the perception that God Exists is held by so many...it can be considered a Standard of Human Understanding.
That you are one of the few that lack that normal/common perceptive ability is most unfortunate. I will pray for you.
Like I said...in the 1st sentence of Post #31.
Your view is based in bias toward the majority that hold differing Beliefs...and the Beliefs themselves.
Meanwhile, the perception that God Exists is held by so many...it can be considered a Standard of Human Understanding.
That you are one of the few that lack that normal/common perceptive ability is most unfortunate. I will pray for you.
Meanwhile, the perception that God Exists is held by so many...it can be considered a Standard of Human Understanding.
That is 55,5% of the world that disagrees with you. And is 55,5% really a standard, especially as the Abrahamic religions can not even agree on this god?
And then when you add the other, non Abrahamic religions, that is a lot more religious people who disagree with your minority religion. Man, even we atheists outnumber you.
That is 55,5% of the world that disagrees with you. And is 55,5% really a standard, especially as the Abrahamic religions can not even agree on this god?
And then when you add the other, non Abrahamic religions, that is a lot more religious people who disagree with your minority religion. Man, even we atheists outnumber you.
The World is 84% Theist...and growing.
Throughout human history, so many have been able to perceive God...it can be deemed a Standard of Human Understanding. Few have lacked this ability.
My Religion accepts and tolerates all other Theistic Beliefs & Faiths.
It's your view that is close-minded and unaccepting...and "lacking" (self-admitted) & based in ignorance (bereft of the evidence/info most possess) as to the existence of The Divine.
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