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Old 02-21-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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So elect officials and pass bills not by who or what gets the most votes! Minority rule! A small group who does what they want, despite the majority of the people. That my friend is how it is done in Latin America and in the Middle East!
If you lived in a country with more than two parties you would also see that a majority vote in government would not necessarily mean the majority of people voted for either it or the governing party.

That is how it is done in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc. Constitutions matter.
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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You did mention Canada in your definition and we wrote a brand new one in 1982.

That was the reason for my reply, the thread although interesting is not my concern not being American.
I didn't write it in MY definition, it is the accepted definition of the English language...But Canada was inclusive in that because it was democratic at the time, just because Canada changed it's constitution does not mean that the definition of democracy changed with it...
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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The role of a constitution was given to over role a majority and you brought up majority and democracy. I did read it but if I missed your point I apologize. Majority does not rule, can just make laws.
Democracy is defined as binary and majority rule...
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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Viz I do not want to be rude. I sincerely apologize.

I get memorials, but why that one thing. Was the stone not enough?

I always wondered why people do not put as many crosses as flamingos on their lawns. It makes sense if you live your faith, you would put crosses on the lawn. I have have lots of cheezy flamingos. I would have lots of crosses if I were so inclined.

I have a different take on it. I know a sculptor who made a bottle tree. On each branch he placed a wine bottle. Every leaf was a fish. It represented Jesus miracles. Someone stole it from his yard, but bottle trees started popping up in places.

I have a dear friend, and his is home, is also the church, and crosses are every where outside. He knows how I feel about crosses. It doe not effect our friendship.

I was commissioned for a stained glass piece for his church of a large cross and I declined, but will be making a piece with loaves, fish, wine, grapes. It speaks to how Jesus lived, not how he died.
I agree with you about the cross...I don't like it either...However, having served my country, especially during wartime, I get offended that people think they have the right to take away someone else's liberty because it annoys them...It doesn't hurt them physically, it just annoys them...
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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Scenario.

Your father was killed by multiple gunshots in a drive by. Your mother was standing right next to him holding your sister.

You are out with your mother a few weeks later and you hear the backfire of a car. Your mother reacts.
She is in full blown panic mode. She is sweating profusely. All she wants to do is run.

You grab her arm and say... Get over it.. oooh dad got shot oooh. get over it.
That was just plain stupid...
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:48 PM
 
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Grow a thicker skin, (oohh, it make me ill, oooh), good grief, get over yourself...Maybe the religious, since homosexuality offends them, should go out and start bashing their skulls in with a baseball bat like back in the old days...I don't agree with their life style and it is not for me, however, you don't see me going out and trying to get them removed from society because I may find them kissing in public offensive...Live and let live...If this is what you want to do, go ahead and do it...Leave me out of it...If you are going to harass people for wanting to honor someone with a cross on public property then I think the religious right should be able to go out and bash some sculls of homosexuals...Fair is Fair...What is good for the goose is good for the gander...
First of all, it's "skulls" not "sculls."

Secondly, you're comparison is like saying, "Well, if they hit me with a feather, I'll drop a 50 megaton thermonuclear warhead on their house.

Why you would go from contesting a monument on public property to bashing the sculls [sic] of homosexuals is something well beyond my understanding. Fortunately.
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Old 02-21-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Artic le._V.Trust me they can vote slavery back in...The only thing that cannot be changed in the constitution is the bill of rights...The abolishment of slavery is an article to the constitution and it can be changed...
No, that is not correct.

The individual amendments of the Bill of Rights do not legally differ from any other amendment to the Constitution - and if you'll think back to prohibition, where Amendment XVIII (Prohibition) was repealed by Amendment XX (which explicitly stated, and I quote: The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.) - you'll see that quite obviously amendments can be changed, or effectively eliminated altogether.

The term 'Bill of Right's is simply what we call the ten of twelve proposed amendments which were approved in a block by Congress in 1790 for consideration by the states. Those ten, Amendments I thru X, were approved by the end of 1791.

The only part of the Constitution which cannot be repealed is the equal allocation among the states of Senators, spelled out in the first sentence of Section 3 of Article I, and this is explicitly stated in Article V:
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The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Artic le._V.
[The part highlighted and in blue is obviously obsolete, since 1808 has come and gone.]

I think you'll find that your lecturing on the Constitution is more effective if you demonstrate that you know what you're talking about.
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Old 02-21-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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I agree with you about the cross...I don't like it either...However, having served my country, especially during wartime, I get offended that people think they have the right to take away someone else's liberty because it annoys them...It doesn't hurt them physically, it just annoys them...
I think our liberties must mesh. There is no harm in not putting memorials and such in the public square.
I quite enjoy sharing festivals. Holi, Christmas, Hanukkah, I love a good party. We attend all sorts of them.

The liberty comes from being allowed to put as many crosses on your lawn as you wish, barring hazard. I do not like campaign posters on public property. I love it on the lawns around here. Lawns are loaded with them.
I know many of those people are Christians and do not see a cross. They only want stuff like that in the public square.

If my neighbor put crosses all over their lawn I would have the utmost respect for it. I would probably make them a piece for their lawn representing the miracles.

I do not have a thick skin for representations of violence. It should have been the fish, the wine, the abundance of throwing a party and sharing what little you have with others. The cross is the wrong message.
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Old 02-21-2015, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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There are statistically twenty to thirty million atheists and agnostics in America. The fact that some nonbelievers do this doesn't mean all twenty to thirty million do. Most atheists want freedom of religion, but if you want freedom of religion then you also have to have freedom from religion. What you're doing is no different than me saying that Christians are all hatemongering homophobes because of the actions of the Religious Right.
Why would that be a surprise to anyone. I see it here all the time about Islam.
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Old 02-21-2015, 05:22 PM
 
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That was just plain stupid...
Think... Imagine what Mary felt when she looked at a cross. Imagine the PTSD every time she looked at another cross. I have no doubt she never got over seeing her child nailed to a cross and die a screaming death. The cross without the body would bring her back to that one unimaginable moment.

I like to personalize things. When someone says, get over it..ooo...

I try to ignore the cross. I get drawn to that one unimaginable moment every time I pay attention to them.
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