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When a person says he is not a sinner, he is a liar as we are born in to a sinful nature world. If you break one of the commandments it is as if you broke all of them.. This is why we can't save our self we need a Savior, we may think we are good and caring people but our garments are like filthy rags, we need to repent of our sins by having a change of heart and mind.
That's the cultists' Kool-Aid doing the talking.
Because all cults attempt to strip away a person's pride, self-respect, and dignity so those attributes can be replaced with an outside source - a savior. The entire idea behind this modus operandi is to make you utterly dependent upon the cult and its leadership and, yeah, I think they succeeded with you.
But hey ... I can't make you un-drink the Kool-Aid. *shrug*
so you mean to tell me there was no warning to these people before the flood ? There was no warning or something said to adam and eve in the garden of eden ? You mean god didn't warn the people of sodom and gomorrah by sending angels to find people who would repent to save the place ? It sounds and is a prodigious amount of disobedience on man's part.
Infants. Did you miss the part where I said "infants?" INFANTS!!!! Your criminally insane, sociopathic mass-murdering "god" murdered infants. But you say that's OK, because he warned the infants first. Have I got that right?
Infants. Did you miss the part where I said "infants?" INFANTS!!!! Your criminally insane, sociopathic mass-murdering "god" murdered infants. But you say that's OK, because he warned the infants first. Have I got that right?
God is fluent in Googooese. So yeah, even the babies got a warning.
First of all, you said we'd start with the 1 commandments. There isn't anything in them about lying other than not to tell lies about others, you know, that 'bear false witness' thing?
But,I really detest lying even though your god didn't include that in the 10.
And I have found that with just a little thought, it's possible to not even tell what people pass off as little white social lies.
RonkonkomaNative covered the covet thing pretty well. I was raised and still believe if you want something, you earn it. Wanting somebody else's husband is a joke as far as I'm concerned but I can see why it's in there.
Now, it appears that you're excusing god for wiping out a whole population because he decided they displeased him. If that's a good enough excuse, can we do it? Or do you go along with Vizio that god doesn't have to adhere to the morals he demands ? He's a 'do as I say, not as I do' sorta guy?
Depends on which innocent victims we're discussing. Since I used the example of Noah, we'll stick with that. As I recall, there were two similar but different reasons given - one being that god had decided that mankind had become violent and corrupt, the other that god had declared us evil and wicked.
So, if we accept the accuracy of that scripture (and my memory of it, for that matter) then we're left with the conclusion that god drowned many thousands of infant children simply because he created an imperfect species. Because if an infant child is - by its very nature - corrupt, violent, wicked, and evil, then it can not possibly be the fault of the infant (because an infant is not capable of deciding to become wicked, evil, violent, or corrupt), or even the fault of the parents - because an infant child is incapable of being taught to be evil, corrupt, wicked, or violent. If an infant child is born wicked, then it can only be the fault of the deity who created it.
So, yeah - no reason whatsoever.
And yet we see that mankind is capable of behaving in a better manner. Those people were not innocent. They were pure evil.
Let's just continue to ignore the telltale signs of the Noah story being just that: a story.
Whenever you run across impossible extremes, you should immediately think to yourself, "Hey, this must be a story of some kind but certainly not an historical event."
Yet when the Bible makes the idiotic claim that EVERYONE on the planet was somehow evil, some folks take that as the absolute truth. What nonsense. It just goes to show the rational people how far others are willing to go in order to believe the Bible to be an historical account of the Bronze Age.
I mean, come on ... really? Every last person was evil? There's no reason to believe such a stupid claim.
What's more, the Bible isn't very specific on just HOW the entire human population was evil. Yeah, they were just evil and that's all we need to know. Of course, being "evil" could mean anything from total anarchy and the complete breakdown of law and morality - or it could simply mean too many people were picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Besides, we're not supposed to use our brains when it comes to religious claims. Nope. You're just supposed to believe it. Blindly. No questions asked.
Because when you start using your brain, when you begin asking questions .... uh oh. Now the Bible, especially the Old Testament hijinx, makes less and less sense.
Infants. Did you miss the part where I said "infants?" INFANTS!!!! Your criminally insane, sociopathic mass-murdering "god" murdered infants. But you say that's OK, because he warned the infants first. Have I got that right?
What were the choices? Leave them alive without parents? Would their behavior have improved?
First of all, you said we'd start with the 1 commandments. There isn't anything in them about lying other than not to tell lies about others, you know, that 'bear false witness' thing?
But,I really detest lying even though your god didn't include that in the 10.
And I have found that with just a little thought, it's possible to not even tell what people pass off as little white social lies.
RonkonkomaNative covered the covet thing pretty well. I was raised and still believe if you want something, you earn it. Wanting somebody else's husband is a joke as far as I'm concerned but I can see why it's in there.
Now, it appears that you're excusing god for wiping out a whole population because he decided they displeased him. If that's a good enough excuse, can we do it? Or do you go along with Vizio that god doesn't have to adhere to the morals he demands ? He's a 'do as I say, not as I do' sorta guy?
Well, congratulations on being perfect. I tried, but slipped up a few times.
And yet we see that mankind is capable of behaving in a better manner. Those people were not innocent. They were pure evil.
Infants. Infants were pure evil.
OK, let's assume for a minute that an infant is even capable of "pure evil." If that's the case, who made them that way? Obviously they must have been born that way, because an infant is incapable of learning how to be "evil." So even if the infants were "pure evil," the only way they could have been evil is if god made them evil.
So. Under your scenario, he screwed up and then killed the infants because of his own mistake. Again, as I said - no reason at all.
OK, let's assume for a minute that an infant is even capable of "pure evil." If that's the case, who made them that way? Obviously they must have been born that way, because an infant is incapable of learning how to be "evil." So even if the infants were "pure evil," the only way they could have been evil is if god made them evil.
So. Under your scenario, he screwed up and then killed the infants because of his own mistake. Again, as I said - no reason at all.
I never said the infants were evil. See post #57. You are using infants as a dodge. What about the adults?
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