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Old 11-12-2012, 04:58 PM
 
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But proverbs teach wisdom. What wisdom do you take away from this proverb?
Read the context -- beginning with verse 1 of the chapter. It's a Queen Mother giving advice to her son, the King. He is not to drink and get drunk--that would be bad for a King to do. That sort of behavior is for the poor and destitute...not a king. If anything, when you read the context, you see that it condemns the behavior of drunkenness.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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I'll drink to that!

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A few years back we had a Pharmacy guy give a talk about drug interaction and the dangers of overmedication in Seniors. In his opinion he stated that a couple of glasses of wine was preferable to some of the sleep aids and anti-anxiety medications he sold. Less side effects and just as effective.
And I'll drink to that!
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:04 PM
 
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Does that mean my old Friend "Ned the Wino" was actually a very devout Bible following Christian and not a drunkard like I thought?
Maybe it means a drunkard can also be a devout "Bible following Christian".
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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Maybe it means a drunkard can also be a devout "Bible following Christian".
no. read the context
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:38 AM
 
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6 Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress;

7 let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.
Seems to me like this Jewish Queen has been Allowed by her god of Israel to put her advice into his "holy book."

The context is that the King is NOT POOR, therefore he is not to get drunk; if he is any sort of high class.

The direct command allowed in by the Bible god is that Palliative care is allowed (at least with alcohol) for those "perishing". That could be the terminally ill with pain or those in the process of death (though it would be hard for a dying person to gulp down liquid drugs like alcohol).

The second line is that the poor are allowed to be drunkards if it means they forget that the rich are getting richer and leaving them behind. This way, the poor will not rise up against the sadistic Jewish royalty. A sort of "let them eat cake" analogy from this Jewish Queen, but much less offensive. More along the lines of "let them drug themselves up!"
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:51 AM
 
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I'll drink to that!

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A few years back we had a Pharmacy guy give a talk about drug interaction and the dangers of overmedication in Seniors. In his opinion he stated that a couple of glasses of wine was preferable to some of the sleep aids and anti-anxiety medications he sold. Less side effects and just as effective.
"Better a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy..."
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:57 AM
 
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The second line is that the poor are allowed to be drunkards if it means they forget that the rich are getting richer and leaving them behind.
The Bible does not condone drunkenness anywhere. That a poor man in misery may take solace in a cup of wine does not mean he should become drunk. When Paul tells Timothy that he should drink a little wine for his health it doesn't in any way mean he should drink to intoxication. The Bible tells us we shouldn't be gluttonous, but it doesn't say we shouldn't eat.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:59 AM
 
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If anything, when you read the context, you see that it condemns the behavior of drunkenness.
The Bible always condemns drunkenness. There is not one instance where drunkenness is portrayed in a favorable manner.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:00 AM
 
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The Bible does not condone drunkenness anywhere. That a poor man in misery may take solace in a cup of wine does not mean he should become drunk. When Paul tells Timothy that he should drink a little wine for his health it doesn't in any way mean he should drink to intoxication. The Bible tells us we shouldn't be gluttonous, but it doesn't say we shouldn't eat.
Oh I'm sorry, I had no idea "Let them drink and FORGET their poverty, and remember their MISERY NO MORE" meant that they could have only one cup of wine. Obviously Paul changed all that. The NT is full of stuff about how Drunkards will go to hell.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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The Bible always condemns drunkenness. There is not one instance where drunkenness is portrayed in a favorable manner.
Even if the bible "condemns drunkenness", it doesn't mean you can't believe in it if you are a drunk, and it doesn't mean god would turn his back on you because of it?...does it?
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