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Old 12-02-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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Atheists Complain About Cross at Ground Zero: Should Anybody Listen?

Seems like this issue has reached the mainstream media as i just heard it talked about on a daily syndicated radio program , its online , and in the newspapers . I heard on the program that Atheists are complaining because 'its making them sick as they walk by the cross' , they find it offensive , and it shouldnt be a public display at a Memorial .

How do Atheists feel when they see Arlington National Cemetary on TV with rows of white crosses as far as the eye can see ? Does it make them feel nauseated ?!

Are these Atheists justified , or, it is yet another case of not wanting to be reminded what the cross represents ... what do you think ? No vitrol intended with this post...I just find it absurd what militant Atheists will come up with.
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Old 12-02-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I find it odd that atheists are offended by various religious symbols. I mean do they want to force everyone to NOT BELIEVE as they choose. I fear that atheists are against a person's right to have and express his/her faith. Moderator cut: Orphaned

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Old 12-02-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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Are we justified in upholding the constitution?
Are we crybabies for understanding the constitution?

I always find this stuff hilarious. If someone tried to enact Jim Crow today, they would be seen as insane. But if a majority thinks gay people are second class citizens, that is totally ok? Why, because we're apprently a theocracy.

I honestly don't care, either, but it's the principle that matters. I highly doubt anyone would let the symbols of other religions be erected as well.
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Old 12-02-2011, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I don't get the rabid anti-religion atheists who protest cross memorials and grind "In god we trust" off all their nickels among other things.

It seems like too much effort to get bent out of shape over to me. It also seems to me that most atheists aren't that way either, just a very vocal minority who was usually personally wronged by some church or church person in their past.
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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Not all those who died in 9/11 were Christian. There were many Jews, Muslims and probably other religions as well.

Muslim Victims of 9/11 - Muslim Victims of the 9/11 Terrorist Attack

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Muslim Victims of 9/11

Shabbir Ahmed - 47 years old - Windows on the World Restaurant
Tariq Amanullah - 40 years old - Fiduciary Trust Co.
Michael Baksh - 36 years old - Marsh & McLennan
Touri Hamzavi Bolourchi - 69 years old - retired nurse on United #175
Abul K. Chowdhury - 30 years old - Cantor Fitzgerald
Mohammad Salahuddin Chowdhury - 38 years old - Windows on the World
Jemal Legesse De Santis - 28 years old - World Trade Center
Simon Suleman Ali Kassamali Dhanani - 63 years old - Aon Corp.
Syed Abdul Fatha - 54 years old - Pitney Bowes
Mon Gjonbalaj - 65 years old - Janitor, World Trade Center
Nezam A. Hafiz - 32 years old - Marsh & McLennan
Mohammed Salman Hamdani - 23 years old - NYPD Cadet
Zuhtu Ibis - 25 years old - Cantor Fitzgerald
Muhammadou Jawara - 30 years old - MAS Security
Sarah Khan - 32 years old - Forte Food Service
Taimour Firaz Khan - 29 years old - Carr Futures
Abdoulaye Kone - 37 years old - Windows on the World
Abdu Ali Malahi - 37 years old - WTC Marriott
Nurul Hoque Miah - 35 years old - Marsh & McLennan
Boyie Mohammed - 50 years old - Carr Futures
Ehtesham U. Raja - 28 years old - TCG Software
Ameenia Rasool - 33 years old - Marsh & McLennan
Mohammad Ali Sadeque - 62 years old - newspaper vendor at WTC, reported missing
Rahma Salie & child - 28 years old (7 months pregnant) - American #11
Khalid M. Shahid - 25 years old - Cantor Fitzgerald
Mohammed Shajahan - 41 years old - Marsh & McLennan
Nasima Hameed Simjee - 38 years old - Fiduciary Trust Co.
Michael Theodoridis - 32 years old - American #11
Abdoul Karim Traore - 41 years old - Windows on the World
Karamo Trerra - 40 years old - ASAP NetSource
Shakila Yasmin - 26 years old - Marsh & McLennan
Hindu victims (can't find a comprehensive list, but at least one) - Jupiter Yambem

Jewish Victims (no names, but a plausible number) - 324
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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Exactly. The victims were a cross-section: Christians, but also agnostics, atheists, Jews, Buddhists, etc. Representing them all with a cross is a travesty.
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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How do Atheists feel when they see Arlington National Cemetary on TV with rows of white crosses as far as the eye can see ? Does it make them feel nauseated ?!
Are you referring to a cemetery in Arlington, Texas? The one in Arlington, Virginia, which we often visit, does not have rows of crosses. It has rows of headstones with all kinds of symbols on them. Most of them crosses, some Stars of David, and a bunch others that are unknown to me.

They are all equally beautiful.

Arlington National Cemetery
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Old 12-02-2011, 04:09 PM
 
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Atheists Complain About Cross at Ground Zero: Should Anybody Listen?

Seems like this issue has reached the mainstream media as i just heard it talked about on a daily syndicated radio program , its online , and in the newspapers . I heard on the program that Atheists are complaining because 'its making them sick as they walk by the cross' , they find it offensive , and it shouldnt be a public display at a Memorial .

How do Atheists feel when they see Arlington National Cemetary on TV with rows of white crosses as far as the eye can see ? Does it make them feel nauseated ?!

Are these Atheists justified , or, it is yet another case of not wanting to be reminded what the cross represents ... what do you think ? No vitrol intended with this post...I just find it absurd what militant Atheists will come up with.
Arlington National Cemetery is hardly the same as Ground Zero.
Each grave at Arlington is private property and the person interred has the right to display the religious symbol of choice on their headstone. It's not all crosses - there are Muslim, Pagan, and other religions represented.

Ground Zero belongs to all of us as a nation and is not Christian holy ground.

And no, we don't need to be reminded of what the cross represents (hatred, bigotry, oppression, slavery, genocide, etc). We know our world and U.S. history well enough, thanks.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Are these Atheists justified , or, it is yet another case of not wanting to be reminded what the cross represents ... what do you think ? No vitrol intended with this post...I just find it absurd what militant Atheists will come up with.
The cross is a pagan symbol. It was used by pagan religions a long time before Christianity took it over. So what do you think about worshipping a pagan symbol in your religion?
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:55 AM
 
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The cross is a pagan symbol. It was used by pagan religions a long time before Christianity took it over..........
Same for Atheism : Is atheism pagan ? - Google Search
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