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Old 01-19-2024, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Anyone who tries to intervene in a crime in NYC is a flat-out idiot. If it doesn't involve you, leave. No matter what is occurring or who the victim is.

In the past year, I've quickly removed myself from two situations where people were asking for help. The second one happened like 2 weeks ago. My conscience is 100% clear. This is the world we live in now.
I can't see too many instances where I would walk away when someone is screaming for help. I'm glad it wasn't my wife you failed to help.
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Old 01-19-2024, 03:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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I can't see too many instances where I would walk away when someone is screaming for help. I'm glad it wasn't my wife you failed to help.
I didn’t vote for this. From 19 to 41 my entire existence was risking my ass for other people, here and abroad. The events of 2020 were a rude awakening. Never again.

Sucks, but there’s no way in hell I am going to jail and having my kids lives destroyed because of my innate masculinity that society is hellbent on destroying.
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Old 01-19-2024, 04:38 PM
 
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I didn’t vote for this. From 19 to 41 my entire existence was risking my ass for other people, here and abroad. The events of 2020 were a rude awakening. Never again.

Sucks, but there’s no way in hell I am going to jail and having my kids lives destroyed because of my innate masculinity that society is hellbent on destroying.
Sucks it took you 22 years to realize it.
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Old 01-19-2024, 05:27 PM
 
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threatened ? being scared doesn’t qualify for deadly force

that might qualify for physical force if he put his hands on someone first , but even that didn’t happen.
Physical force is allowed if it’s imminent. Doesn’t matter about putting hands on someone first .If someone squares up with you your saying you can’t hit them unless they hit them first? What if they are in the process of swinging? Can you hit them first at that point?

Doesn’t apply here it seems obviously. We’ll see what happens with the evidence.

Is the choke hold considered deadly automatically? Reason I ask is what if it was one punch that resulted In the death here ? Does the punch turn to deadly force automatically?
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Old 01-19-2024, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Standing up to do the right thing would have been to sneakily push him off the train at the next stop when the doors opened. I've seen it done a few times to a few kooks. Not killing him. Would you have exerted the same force as Penny if you were on that train?

Thanks to martin and mathjak for their sensible posts.
That’s brilliant
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Old 01-19-2024, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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I didn’t vote for this. From 19 to 41 my entire existence was risking my ass for other people, here and abroad. The events of 2020 were a rude awakening. Never again.

Sucks, but there’s no way in hell I am going to jail and having my kids lives destroyed because of my innate masculinity that society is hellbent on destroying.
Dead on. Sorry this is what the city wants and voted for, so it’s me and mine first. That’s just sad reality.
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Old 01-19-2024, 05:46 PM
 
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That’s brilliant
Until the person falls and hits their head and dies and your arrested and right back in this situation.
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Old 01-19-2024, 06:18 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Until the person falls and hits their head and dies and your arrested and right back in this situation.
Exactly. Protected class. Do. Not. Touch. Them.

Don’t push them off the train. YOU get off the train.
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Old 01-19-2024, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Until the person falls and hits their head and dies and your arrested and right back in this situation.
Didn’t say I would do it but I’d sure LMAO at anyone else who does
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Old 01-19-2024, 07:55 PM
 
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Until the person falls and hits their head and dies and your arrested and right back in this situation.
Trust me it's a tactic used by straphangers
You lightly push them just as the doors are about to close
So you're not doing it with all your strength
Also the point is to catch them off guard
Like I said I've seen it done plenty of times
Better then choking the dear life out of somebody
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