People are not 'fleeing' Minneapolis, real estate data shows (Byron: foreclosures, for rent)

[lalife]

[quote=TheGrandViking;59420982]Considering I lived in Minneapolis in the 90s, when crime was at it's peak, I probably lived in a more dangerous city than you currently do and it didn't leave me being scared or frightened (look up the crime statistics in that era and they are much higher than now). I'm not a huge booster of the city and prefer the suburbs, but the level of bashing of Minneapolis currently is probably driven by this election.

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I lived in Mpls in the 90's too. Nothing like it is now. The city had a full police force then. People bash Mpls because it is now a dangerous city to live in with an insane city council at the helm.

You don't have a clue what is going on here now because 95% of the crime never makes the news. I follow police scanner news so I know what is going on.

This is my last reply to you.

[lalife]

[quote=lalife;59421848]

Originally Posted by TheGrandViking

Considering I lived in Minneapolis in the 90s, when crime was at it's peak, I probably lived in a more dangerous city than you currently do and it didn't leave me being scared or frightened (look up the crime statistics in that era and they are much higher than now). I'm not a huge booster of the city and prefer the suburbs, but the level of bashing of Minneapolis currently is probably driven by this election.

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I lived in Mpls in the 90's too. Nothing like it is now. The city had a full police force then. People bash Mpls because it is now a dangerous city to live in with an insane city council at the helm.

You don't have a clue what is going on here now because 95% of the crime never makes the news. I follow police scanner reporting so I know what is going on.

This is my last reply to you.

[TheGrandViking]

Originally Posted by lalife

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I lived in Mpls in the 90's too. Nothing like it is now. The city had a full police force then. People bash Mpls because it is now a dangerous city to live in with an insane city council at the helm.

You don't have a clue what is going on here now because 95% of the crime never makes the news. I follow police scanner news so I know what is going on.

This is my last reply to you.

You have lived here this long and still don't know how to dress for cold weather!! Wow.

You have yet to define the percent loss of Minneapolis residents that constitute a 'mass exodus"? Why won't you give a number for that?

How do you define a "full" police force? I disagree about the motivation for bashing the city council and their mental state. I disagree with them about their methods but believe reform is necessary.

I predict that the crime level, as reported to the FBI, will be less than peak 1990-it will probably be higher than last year by a certain percentage. The crime rate, based on the percent of population, will be difficult to top the highs from the 90s. I'll revisit this thread when they come out and we'll see who is right.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

For those who still believe the theory that there is a mass exodus happening in Minneapolis (assuming they haven’t move on from it yet) I’m wondering when we can expect to see a drop in housing prices? It hasn’t happened yet and I’m itching to make an upgrade on the cheap while mortgage rates are still low.

[augiedogie]

The exodus might happen slower than some think. Assuming that they will continue with a downsized police department, crime will continue to rise and more will move out. But certainly not most or all. Milwaukee WI is terrible, high crime, high taxes, and terrible schools. I wouldn't think anyone would want to live there, but over 600,000 still do. Different strokes for different folks.

[lalife]

Originally Posted by augiedogie

The exodus might happen slower than some think. Assuming that they will continue with a downsized police department, crime will continue to rise and more will move out. But certainly not most or all. Milwaukee WI is terrible, high crime, high taxes, and terrible schools. I wouldn't think anyone would want to live there, but over 600,000 still do. Different strokes for different folks.

Wisconsin has different gun laws than MN. One can protect your home and life if criminals break in. In MN, criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens.

WI has castle doctrine law.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

The Milwaukee comparison is a little strange, given that it is in a city in stagnation, while Minneapolis has been flourishing. Since 2010, Minneapolis has gained nearly 50,000 new residents within its city limits, while Milwaukee’s population has decreased by 4,000.

All that being said I personally like Milwaukee a lot and would consider living there on account of its inexpensive housing and proximity to Chicago.

[TheGrandViking]

Originally Posted by lalife

Wisconsin has different gun laws than MN. One can protect your home and life if criminals break in. In MN, criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens.

WI has castle doctrine law.

s.

This is absolutely wrong. I have a carry permit and have had classes. This subject is talked about at length and is called "a duty to retreat". It is basically what I call the decent person law. It means you can shoot and kill someone who has broken into your house and committing a felony. But, you just have to evaluate the threat and if the threat is neutralized you don't get to kill them. You just have to be clear headed and rational when using your firearm instead of scared and irrational.

The law is strong enough for personal protection but does not embolden what i call the yeeha yahoos from provoking confrontations so they can brandish their firearm or kill someone without consequences. You have to think and evaluate instead of reacting without thought or provoking a confrontation.

[Teak]

Originally Posted by augiedogie

The exodus might happen slower than some think. Assuming that they will continue with a downsized police department, crime will continue to rise and more will move out. But certainly not most or all. Milwaukee WI is terrible, high crime, high taxes, and terrible schools. I wouldn't think anyone would want to live there, but over 600,000 still do. Different strokes for different folks.

Exactly. Some posters in these threads assume that if something doesn't happen at, say, riot speed, it isn't happening or going to happen. Up to 66 homicides already this year in Riotville to date, against only 49 in all of 2019.

[Minntoaz]

Originally Posted by lalife

Wisconsin has different gun laws than MN. One can protect your home and life if criminals break in. In MN, criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens.

WI has castle doctrine law.

Makes sense.

Originally Posted by TheGrandViking

s.

This is absolutely wrong. I have a carry permit and have had classes. This subject is talked about at length and is called "a duty to retreat". It is basically what I call the decent person law. It means you can shoot and kill someone who has broken into your house and committing a felony. But, you just have to evaluate the threat and if the threat is neutralized you don't get to kill them. You just have to be clear headed and rational when using your firearm instead of scared and irrational.

The law is strong enough for personal protection but does not embolden what i call the yeeha yahoos from provoking confrontations so they can brandish their firearm or kill someone without consequences. You have to think and evaluate instead of reacting without thought or provoking a confrontation.

Yes the law says one thing but according to research this law has been interpreted many different ways. Like the man in little falls who had a jury decide his fate which ultimately landed him in prison for life because he shot two teenagers who repeatedly broke in. This law is not as cut and dry as people like to portray, unfortunately.

Here is the case I was referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_...Smith_killings