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Old 04-26-2024, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Probably right.

Which is 1 reason I moved out 20 some years ago.
And yet, here you are!
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Old 04-26-2024, 01:20 PM
 
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I guess the issue with "one-siding" it is ignoring the obvious advantage the Dems have in keeping the status quo too, which is keeping policies on the books and practices going to appeal to their far left wing. Certainly you are aware there is a sizeable DEM voting block that sees all border control and immigration limitation as inherently "racist." Agreeing to any amount of extra ICE agents and detention centers turns these folks off during an election year where Biden and Senate Dems are going to have to get turnout from this wing of his party. People like you that would be willing to compromise aren't likely to sit out if this bill was passed, others would. The low-information but very angry unlikely voter is the target demographic for both parties, and has been since 2016, IMO.

It's a tough year for the Dems with the Israel-Gaza dispute on-going, campus protests; another issues where moderate Dems and their fringe members can't agree.

I'll finish up and give you the last word if you want it, but the bigger evidence for my point isn't just this year, it's been the multiple years when either the GOP or the DEMs have control of the Executive and Legislative Branch, and still don't prioritize the issue.

I genuinely feel that the immigrants, themselves, are being exploited at every turn. Whether it be the Coyotes who make money off trafficking people, businesses who benefit from under the table labor, or political leaders who can scream about "the problem" and then make sure no changes are made, everyone involved is focused on what is in it for them. For as long as I have been alive, it's been a better idea to argue and point fingers than make changes. That's going on 3+ decades now, I've noticed the pattern.
I agree the far left wouldn't (and didn't - Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and a few others voted against the recent compromise) support what most people view to be common sense reforms. But I don't think Democrats are nearly as beholden to their far left wing as Republicans are to their far right wing. Bernie is an adorably animated grumpy grandpa, but no one in power really cares what he thinks. Meanwhile, the far right has been significantly more successful in asserting their power over the GOP caucus. (as an aside, if Biden loses, I suspect we'll see Dems shift significantly to the left, jettison all the longtime moderate power brokers in the party, and completely change the calculus above. But that's a conversation for a different day if the worst comes to pass....)

I also agree with your points that no one seems to prioritize this issue when in control of government and that immigrants themselves are the ones severely harmed by the lack of action. I generally look at issues through my DC/poli sci lens, but if more people looked at it through your perspective I suspect at least incremental change would be far more likely to occur.
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Old Today, 06:10 AM
 
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And yet, here you are!
I don't see any restrictions fom the owners of this forum.

I still have many family members there and I like to keep up on things there.

Don't like it, don't read my posts and don't respond to me.

Your "problem" is solved.
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