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Old 11-17-2023, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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He was investigated only because he lied about his bio, which isn't a crime. If every member of Congress was scrutinized over their campaign and treated the same way as Santos there would be probably be others who did the same or worse. Santos used campaign funds for Botox. Was Hillary Clinton using her personal funds for every hair appointment or campaign funds when she was running for president?
Ehh he took the lying about his bio to a whole new level. Secondly it wasn't lying about his bio that led to him being investigated by the House Ethics Committee. It certainly didn't help matters, but it was his issues with the FEC disclosures and reporting and the $500,000 in unexplained funds (among other things) that led to the investigation.

House Ethics Chairman Michael Guest did formally introduce the expulsion resolution this morning as expected. The House is expected to take action on it when the House returns following the Thanksgiving recess which will likely set up a vote during the last few days of the month

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Old 11-17-2023, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Because his continuance in office will be an albatross shadowing any GOP nominee for the seat by sucking up the oxygen in the room.
That dosent mean a thing. The damage is done, whether he stays or leaves tomorrow won’t make a lick of difference either way. And frankly although an uphill battle I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP manages to barely hold the seat (if the Dems aren’t allowed to gerrymander by the appeals court like they want to that is) considering their continued sweep of recent elections here
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Old 11-17-2023, 03:54 PM
 
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That dosent mean a thing. The damage is done, whether he stays or leaves tomorrow won’t make a lick of difference either way. And frankly although an uphill battle I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP manages to barely hold the seat (if the Dems aren’t allowed to gerrymander by the appeals court like they want to that is) considering their continued sweep of recent elections here
As one stated previously LI GOP political machine are the ones who should be fired. They let this eejit Santos slip by on their watch when a simple background check would have revealed then he was unsuitable. Everything that has happened post election is just piling on.

Santos now playing the drama queen is a joke. This eejit says he won't run for reelection because he's being martyred. Truth is Santos wouldn't have survived primaries next year much less general election and he knows it.

My guess is higher ups in GOP sat Santos down and laid out bare cold facts; if he persisted in running for reelection it would be total war. By that meaning likely more dirt would be unleashed and otherwise a scorched earth campaign seeing to it Santos didn't even make it out of the primaries.
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Old 11-17-2023, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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That dosent mean a thing. The damage is done, whether he stays or leaves tomorrow won’t make a lick of difference either way. And frankly although an uphill battle I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP manages to barely hold the seat (if the Dems aren’t allowed to gerrymander by the appeals court like they want to that is) considering their continued sweep of recent elections here
The GOP has done very well and better than expected here in recent elections. With that said, the turnout dynamics are a bit different in a Presidential year. Anything can certainly happen, but it becomes harder to maintain the seat in a Presidential year than a Midterm. I also think that Suozzi (although not my top choice) back in the running makes this very difficult for the GOP to hold onto. That is of course not taking into account if the Democrats in NY are successful in doing the exact thing Republicans in North Carolina just did (Gerrymander, have it thrown out and Gerrymander again and get away with it this time)
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Old 11-17-2023, 04:06 PM
 
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The GOP has done very well and better than expected here in recent elections. With that said, the turnout dynamics are a bit different in a Presidential year. Anything can certainly happen, but it becomes harder to maintain the seat in a Presidential year than a Midterm. I also think that Suozzi (although not my top choice) back in the running makes this very difficult for the GOP to hold onto. That is of course not taking into account if the Democrats in NY are successful in doing the exact thing Republicans in North Carolina just did (Gerrymander, have it thrown out and Gerrymander again and get away with it this time)
Suozzi running for his old seat makes in almost 99.9% sure it will flip back to democrats in 2024. That surely is his motive for running, besides not winning governor's race and needing another political job to pay his bills. Am also willing to bet egg money that higher ups in NYS and national DNC urged Suozzi to run since his brand recognition likely would aid their cause.

Make no mistake about it; NYC democrats and those in Washington, D.C. are working furiously to get back those House seats lost in previous election to republicans. This not only to flip House majority back to democrats but also as matter of principle.
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Old 11-17-2023, 04:37 PM
 
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Suozzi running for his old seat makes in almost 99.9% sure it will flip back to democrats in 2024. That surely is his motive for running, besides not winning governor's race and needing another political job to pay his bills. Am also willing to bet egg money that higher ups in NYS and national DNC urged Suozzi to run since his brand recognition likely would aid their cause.

Make no mistake about it; NYC democrats and those in Washington, D.C. are working furiously to get back those House seats lost in previous election to republicans. This not only to flip House majority back to democrats but also as matter of principle.
People said that when ran for re election for county exec. He lost. Once you give up your seat all bets are off. He also has several primary opponents he will have to beat. They can work to flip those seats all they want, but they will have to win it first especially in a presidential election year with an extremely unpopular president and in 2 counties that have swung red in the last 2 elections bucking the national trends. Right now the democrats run almost nothing on LI anymore which frankly is pretty amazing considering what it was 10 years ago. Also if the Dems are able to gerrymander than this is all moot as the district will likely be completely different.

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Old 11-17-2023, 05:27 PM
 
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The GOP has done very well and better than expected here in recent elections. With that said, the turnout dynamics are a bit different in a Presidential year. Anything can certainly happen, but it becomes harder to maintain the seat in a Presidential year than a Midterm. I also think that Suozzi (although not my top choice) back in the running makes this very difficult for the GOP to hold onto. That is of course not taking into account if the Democrats in NY are successful in doing the exact thing Republicans in North Carolina just did (Gerrymander, have it thrown out and Gerrymander again and get away with it this time)
Supposedly 3 justices during questioning seemed against a redraw, 3 possibly for it, and 1 gave no indication so who knows how it will turn out. What's different is in NYS gerrymandering is unconstitutional in NC it's not. If the dems win this and draw a completely crazy map again you can bet it will end up back in court.

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Old 11-17-2023, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Supposedly 3 justices during questioning seemed against a redraw, 3 possibly for it, and 1 gave no indication so who knows how it will turn out. What's different is in NYS gerrymandering is unconstitutional in NC it's not. If the dems win this and draw a completely crazy map again you can bet it will end up back in court.
In NC much like in NY the gerrymandered map was thrown out and ruled unconstitutional for 2022 Republicans then tried again this year in NC with a different court make up and ruled in their favor, which is basically what Democrats in NY are trying. I will give you, NC doesn't have the voter passed referendum NY has, another comparison to that is Ohio.
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Old 11-17-2023, 09:20 PM
 
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In NC much like in NY the gerrymandered map was thrown out and ruled unconstitutional for 2022 Republicans then tried again this year in NC with a different court make up and ruled in their favor, which is basically what Democrats in NY are trying. I will give you, NC doesn't have the voter passed referendum NY has, another comparison to that is Ohio.
Correct, the NC map was found in violation of the federal voting rights act, the NY was in violation of the state constitution which forbids gerrymandering via that referendum, two completely different issues. The new NC map was not as favorable to the GOP as the first. If NY gets to redraw I doubt their map will be as blatant as before.
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Old 11-17-2023, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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People said that when ran for re election for county exec. He lost. Once you give up your seat all bets are off. He also has several primary opponents he will have to beat. They can work to flip those seats all they want, but they will have to win it first especially in a presidential election year with an extremely unpopular president and in 2 counties that have swung red in the last 2 elections bucking the national trends. Right now the democrats run almost nothing on LI anymore which frankly is pretty amazing considering what it was 10 years ago. Also if the Dems are able to gerrymander than this is all moot as the district will likely be completely different.

True to a point and agree that Biden isn't popular, but his most likely opponent is Trump. Republicans have made some big gains on Long Island the last couple years and Trump wasn't on the ballot. The turnout dynamics, which have been very favorable for te GOP here the last couple years change considerably with Trump.
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